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    Re: [DTB] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Eh, the clique comes in and out constantly for the 4th Jace, 3rd Snapcaster, extra whatever else. Usually turn 3 I want to be casting liliana so the cliques have *occasionally* been a bit clunky but...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Confidant has been sitting pretty as a 4 of in my SB since I started playing the deck and it single handedly wins me almost every g2 - I am playing creatureless if that's of any help mind you, my...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    I still can't figure out why people are boarding in deathrite shaman in the pure control list... I really can't. If you wan't creatures with good utility, play Cliques and Confidants. Unless you're...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    @Kyle

    List is groovy, I dig it a lot (cept I'll never leave home without a full set of forces MD)

    More importantly, perhaps a few tips on yer SB - take em or leave em:

    Grafdigger's cage...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Please read the last 4-5 pages of the thread, it answers all of your questions.
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    http://mtgpulse.com/event/11239#156151

    http://mtgpulse.com/event/11238#156144

    There are the two poles. They both have game against RUG although RUG isn't really too big a problem anymore with...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    There are far too many games where I wind up stabilizing at something along the lines of 4-6 life for me to run a full set of thoughtseize, I've been sitting pretty on a 3/1 split of IoK/Thoughtseize...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    What does your list look like? So far I've been happy with 4 jace/loam/lili as my CA engine and I'd be curious as to what you cut for the AVs.
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    ... Care to exchange luck for a few tournaments? The deck needs its land drops til at least turn 5 and doesn't want to waste a cantrip to find one. I've seen successful lists running 24 but damn...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    First off, welcome back home.


    The deck NEEEEEEEEDS 23 lands at a minimun, although I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the breakdown. I've been playing with 3 snapcasters for a while now and have...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Nic Fit can't beat a Jace, but if the pilot is good, you'll have a hard time resolving it in the first place. You have to be able to board into some kind of reasonable clock against 'em cause they...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Pernicious deed.

    Loam is CA (also, interactions with Jace, Wasteland, Liliana, Raven's crime, etc), also most control decks also can't afford to use their life total as a resource.
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Lili and loam (even lili herself sometimes) will single-handedly win you games outright. Intuition has been notoriously a bit too slow and imo, a bit too cute however, Raven's crime is a fantastic...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Congrats on the finish!

    Were you happy with(only) 2 decay in the MD? I'm currently running 2 Decay, 2 Ghastly demise, 3 Innocent blood but I have a lot of creature decks still running rampant in...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    @Kyle - Regarding CA, I found the best way to generate it is, well, without standstills - they were simply lackluster about 70% of the time (and glorious 30%). The deck relies on trading life total...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    I liked the read a lot, a bit more than his list, although it still seems quite strong. I'm not sure I quite like the idea of running two maindeck Loams right now which seem mildly dead against a...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Decks that run Cavern of Souls can't deal with NoSB/Darkblast + Board Sweeps. I am considering adding a few Confidants back to the board so I have a clock against combo for, as you said, it is a bit...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    EE has been in my board for a while but I've found that Pulse + Counters can deal with the majority of the problem of the permanents you've talked about. As we all know, the worst way to deal with a...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Since you're going with 3 Standstills you can cut a piece of discard or two and get em to the board. Generally, the point of running standstills is that your opponents hand is largely irrelevant...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Bam Bam thank you ma'am:


    3 Liliana of the Veil
    3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Snapcaster Mage

    4 Force of Will
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Spell Pierce
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    That's a whole lotta removal - counting 11 including lili's.

    Be weary of non-targeted removal that comes in the form of 'not-pernicious-deed'.

    The list looks good, although I would perhaps make...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    Because of the recent increase in critters running around, I've added a Garruk Relentless to the MD and cut 1 Liliana -- so far in testing he's been a beast for anyone trying to sit on the ground and...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    I'm agreed on 2 -- However, I don't necessarily think they're going to make it in the MD, there's simply nothing I want to cut (perhaps a snapcaster or a counterspell?) If I can't find room for 1 in...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    I guess the subtlety at which I've been hinting at this for the past several pages wasn't direct enough. Thank you, and yes, it should.
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Control Thread)

    ... I was hoping I'd never have to even think about those dark times again....

    But yes, this is exactly what I've been trying to point out -- unless you take the time and mana to set up your...
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