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The list is interesting but seems highly irrelevant to the thread.

Cutting daze... you're trolling right? I don't think anyone can take this comment seriously.

The list was great. Mine had a snare over third pierce and a second submerge over needle in the board. Honestly with orb needle just didn't seem necessary, but knowing Leovold would be big I thought...

I piloted close to the same list at that event. He's a friend of mine and created the list(MD grim, tnn, etc). It's really good. Grim and tnn were all stars winning me a set vs eldrazi and grixis....

For starters I would not run 4 pierce without any dismembers. You need to have some outs to resolved tarmogoyfs/ zombie fishes the prior of which snare can hit along with a slew of other high...

The most common one I have come up is turn 2 orb + daze/force or turn 2 pass holding up pierce/pyro/snare/counterspell then turn 3 orb after hitting a counterbalance or something. This is also...

Ceck out Jonathan Alexander's list and sideboard section on his blog the weekly wars. With how many stupid 3 drops they have I think it's really good.

Yeah I've tried it as well once and my results were ok I guess. I didn't really give it a shot after that because again it feels clunky. Our own opinions of the list aside I think the 24th finish...

Same thing Dissection said. It seems bad, but if the premise is to grow goyf past angler range especially in the grixis match up then it makes sense. At the very least Jonathan is an amazing player...

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I personally have always liked 2/2/2 snare, pierce, x split. The last two fluctuating between removal spells. The sorcery count has never really been a problem in my book.
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So I'm going to a large tournament in the near future and I'm trying to figure out my board. This is what I've got so far I think it's good, but I haven't tested it a whole lot yet:

54 stock...

Is anyone here planning to go to chiba and want to meet up to test in Japan?

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I would look at the distinct differences first rather than match ups and go from there. Understanding how the decks differences work and even out is much more useful than a list of match ups and...

Yeah the match ups I mentioned has more been a personal meta ditch I've been stuck and was more of a side note. I'm just curious if I'm the only who feels the decks power level increases...

Yeah I love the deck and feel very confident in my abilities playing it. I'm probably going to play it at chiba in November. Just getting-got by nic fit, Merfolk and wading through a vomit of dnt has...

Does anyone feel like this deck is never a good deck to main constantly at your LGS? I've always found that I can do well at large events locally and even better abroad when people don't know what...

My go to board is something like this
OTP:
-4 wasteland
2 dismember
4 bolt/daze (depends how they play, how many mentors they have, etc)

+2 Pyro
2 fluster
1 sylvan
1 vortex

Yeah my bad. The stifle part I described is right, but my wasteland was wrong.

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I'm not a judge so I'm probably making a sloppy explanation out of this despite my best efforts. The way stifle will work is you counter the trigger and then when state based effects are checked...

Ok here's the oracle text for Dark Depths:

Dark Depths
Legendary Snow Land
Card Text:
Dark Depths enters the battlefield with ten ice counters on it.

3: Remove an ice counter from Dark...

It's not as broken as hitting infernal tutor vs storm, but it's still good. I mean if you hit their show and tell then sneak attack is a 5 mana combo which is much easier to disrupt. It also...

It can be a difficult match up. The only part that takes practice is realizing when you "can" tap out for a threat and when you "should". This is more reading the other player based on their cantrips...

You don't want it. All it does is the same thing as fluster but less versatile. You won't get to delirium consistently if ever because the match ups you want it for are:
Combo - doesn't kill our...

Match up is bad and just gets worse. This is actually not what I'm so scared of. Their new tutor is really bad for us though because it increases the utility of their flicker wisps (infinitely if the...

Grixis has a wider spread of semi favorable match ups while rug has a better miracles match up. Grixis I think is better from an overall stand point, but having played that miracles match up it seems...