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If you want to go creatureless, should we try court of cunning plus island sanctuary?

Court plus estrid will mill anyone out no matter in ~2 turns. It also enables our own sevinnes well.

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In a delver format the 3/4 statline is incredibly relevant.



I like paladin class since by itself it will usually trade up on mana if not on cards, and it both uses and enables Serra’s sanctum...

I guess we need to decide on what the broken thing we can do is. Estrids is a powerful banedrifter, but so are uro, and, endurance. I think we need to go relatively deep to not just be bad Bant or...

I do think history is great if we are willing to have 3 cmc targets. But as said earlier, perhaps copying 3 and 4 mana things is win more. If we only want 1 or 2 mana targets for curve reasons a BUG...

Example list:

4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Abundant Growth
3 Wild Growth
2 Carpet of Flowers
4 Sarcomancy
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 inquisition of Kozilek

Paladin’s class was more because I felt the mini defence grid ability was worth a card in its own right. If you feel that part is not good enough than yah it’s bad.

In my opinion 1-2 mana bounce a...

I guess it would be good to keep all the brainstorming ideas in order:


Bant tokens:
Enablers:
Ranger Class
History of Benalia
Utopia Sprawl
Abundant Growth
The Bears of Littjara

Yah I mixed up two things. The effects aren’t copiable but “gains ability” effects don’t go away if you copy something else. For us that doesn’t help since estrid exiles itself, but it is relevant...

Since it is not using counters for the level up, they should be copiable attributes. IE estrid's should go straight to level 3 if copying a level 3 class, which is pretty awesome.

It does push us...

Paint-by-numbers draft:

MonoU LD:

4 Tomb
3 City
10 Island
4 Urza’s saga
1 Gemstone Caverns
2 Lotus Petal

The degenerate thing is that saga{estrid copy} untaps before it flickers so you could potentially make 2 constructs per estrid per turn. There isn’t a ton of other good mono blue enchantments to copy...

Urza’s saga is an extremely cheap and uncounterable target for Estrid’s. Perhaps we could go to a more artifact token based version? Hidden stockpile, dark steel mutation?

The best new cheap enchantment is Urza’s saga. Perhaps that makes it consistent enough? The floor of always being a karn, scion of urza seems pretty good.

If you splash green the gb saga is great. But then you are left wondering why you are playing blue interaction and cantrips instead of just enchantress.

One idea is powerful cumulative upkeep...

Yes the UB version seems to have more promise, but the problem is finding a payoff for making lots of zombie tokens (other than cabal therapy). Driven//Despair? Hogaak? Cull the meek into Liliana’s...

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This seems very interesting. Replenish isn’t a card you want to turbo out most games anyways, and this is infinitely better vs daze. It doesn’t play super nice...

Other than curve, the reason I suggested island sanctuary instead is because it is -1 card every turn instead of -2 cards every turn. I am not sure if we have enough card draw to be able to support...

Glad to hear you are still working on this deck. Post and maverick are inherently tough mus for enchantment based decks imo. Seems like the deck is fine but needs a bit of tuning to be great.

I...

I tried a similar idea; I would recommend adding cast out as another cyclable enchantment that is not embarassing to hard cast, & a 1 of lay claim for the memes. this assumes you want to lean into...

Now that commander is released you really need to fit nesting grounds in the deck, since its pretty insane with sagas (keep triggering them every turn)

I think if you are committed to the history& counterbalance plan you need to cut 1 ofs for a splashblack for animatou (- is extraestrids, +is bs) and tymaret's blessing (copies 5-8 of benalia).

I splashed white for yorion and suppression field in my curses deck. You may want to check my post in that thread for ideas.

You should definitely play yorion. I am playing wb yorion curses, and triggering all your enchanments is insane. Furthermore, if you splash black for animate dead you can set up a slow worldgorger...