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I believe playing Planeswalkers (other than Liliana) depends on your game plan. For example, my game plan is to slow my opponent with counters and removals, and then resolve a Gifts for the win. In...

I get flooded sometimes, but I also get mana screwed sometimes, when I don't have a Shaman to fix my colors, so I guess 26 lands is ok.
Also, it's 26 lands, but we have 4 utility lands and 3 man...

Hey guys!
I played a small local event (18 players), and ended 5-0 with the following 75:


2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
4 Deathrite Shaman

3 Mana...

I really like having some counters, the turn 1 Thoughtseize may hurt a little bit too. Let us know about your progress, please =)

Fetchlands sees more play than Duals- Ok.
There's a reasonable number of Duals already- Ok.
Being an Eternal format is complicated, because many players don't want to sell staples unless they have...

What about Vendilion Clique?
It's good against RG Tron, and combos as well. Do we have 2-3 slots in the sb?

Congratz on your result =D
In the list you posted, 1 Hallowed Fountain should be 1 Celestial Colonnade, right?

How do you feel about -1 Mystic Gate +1 Hallowed Fountain?
Multiple Gates in the...

Darkslick Shores seems a fine replacement, but in a 13 land build, what would be the 13th land?

I got it, thank you very much for your explanation.
I noticed the sideboard is pretty tight, is there any flex slots for a 'meta call' ?
I like being prepared for everything, but sometimes you have...

@Bryant and Final Fortune: How the deck behaves with 13/12 lands and 3/4 moxen?
Don't you suffer too much against Tempo package?

@Final Fortune: Could you post your current mana base here, please?

I'm new to this deck, but without the shuffle effects, Brainstorm isn't just a bad cantrip?
Sure it works against discard, but...

I've had similar experiences with a '14 land Quadlazer' and with Quadlazer as well.
I'm gonna play a small tournament this sunday, maybe I'll just go with a 14-land combo version... let's give it a...

The problem is that one target helps the other. Griselbrand alone doesn't win me the game on the spot, and FKZ alone is a little situational. If I would play just 1 target and 2 DR, probably won't be...

I've always preferred lists builded on consistency, but lately I've come around a little.
Quadlazer is nice, but I don't think 12 lands is enough, and we have many Maverick players here in Brazil,...

Looks like a lot of people are losing to their selves lately, including myself.
I've played Quadlazer, and then a 14 lands build, and I've had terrible experiences with both.
I keep reading reports...

Actually this makes a lot of sense, since the matchup is very easy if they don't play enough hate. Also, we don't have much tradition in Dredge here, as you do.

Really? =O
In my meta they usually just have a single piece of 'wishable' hate, I thought it was the standard. Usually other combos can't afford 4 slots for grave hates, specially wish-based combos.

I used to play a single DR over the 4th Ichorid too, for the same reason, but I've come to realize it's just doesn't worth it. Quadlazer is all about consistency, and in my play testing, I wished the...

@Final Fortune: I got your point, but against Surgical, isn't better to accelerate before they draw a second one? In this case, LED seems better.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna try a list close to Hollywood's on a Legacy Qualifier, next sunday.
I'll let you know the results =)

Ok, but do we really care that much about Surgical on dredgers?
We usually side in more threats in order to fight Surgical (not in ways to save our dredgers) because usually is wrong extracting a...

Why are you guys siding out LED before Breakthrough?
LED can turn into a draw spell, and allows more explosive starts, while breakthrough is only good if paired with a discard spell.

I mistyped your nick, sorry xD
But if this is the metagame, it's not that different from here, I just wonder if the gain in consistency is worth the little loss in speed (hybrid/combo builds x...

@K1k1, Hokus and the other german players:

How exactly is german metagame?
I liked the Quadlazer, but maybe a 'hybrid' list (like Hollywood's) is more appropriated to brazilian meta, or even a...

Apparently, Hollywood's list is a mix of grind and combo version, and I like that approach. Maybe it's a good call to an unknown metagame, I'm testing a similar list and it's good so far.