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    Vortex costs one, after that we have 35 lands turned into shocks (besides all the nasty stuff they still do), thats even more shocks than D&T runs creatures. That's not a bad scenario even without...
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    And just like Pfire deals with mother in two strikes (opp Eot and yours), vortex does too. That's not a world of difference.
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    Casting loam is the whole point of this deck. And killing Prelate is only discarding 1 land with vortex before loams active again ...
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    You are right that there are too much possibilities to discuss any line of play. And I don't like Prelate either, as I don't like noninteractive cards.
    Just one last thing, Vortex easily deals 6...
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    If the 1off Prelate hits on T3, D&T is about as lucky as me landing a T1 Vortex. I like my odds with the T1 Vortex better. You cannot compare the best possible scenario available to you to the worst...
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    Fox, you do realise that this deck is all about loaming, and that discarding lands doesn't really matter then? Loam basically is ancestrall recall.
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    Lands needs a number of cards to abuse the loam engine, like exploration, or like manabond, and we usually need such a card in play along the loaming to really abuse the loamengine. But,...
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    For the record, according to TCdecks there were 48 landsdecks without Vortex in the 75 in 2016, versus 55 decks with a copy in the 75 (of which 28 main, and 27 side). So there's actually more...
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    Everything dies to something, this reminds me of the Force of Will argumentation (if it can get countered, it cannot be a good card). While Prelate shuts down Fire, and Revoker kills Vortex, the...
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    It won't be that hard to fight Prelate with Lands though, because Lands' tutorpackage are onedrops. So while Prelate on 2 shuts down loam and Fire, you'll still be able to crop and gamble under it...
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    ? Storm ? I posted about decks running brainstorm and DTT, such as Omnitell. Discard has become way less efficient since DTT, especially for nonblue decks that rely on it in the combomatchup (like...
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    He's looking at it from a fair decks point of view, not from a Storm point of view. He's right that discard gets invalidated by brainstorm and DTT, as means for a fair deck to disrupt combo. You...
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    Honestly, I wish they would, as it would probably bring goblins back to the tables. If printing cards that suppress variance in nonblue colors is part of the brainstorm-issue, this one's a non...
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    Actually, it is. You are referring to data which consists only out of just 130 matches. That's not much, considering that top 8-ing an event probably consists of about 15 matches played (Swiss +...
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    You can't deny that blue took over aggro in tempodecks as well at this stage, through delver + Cruise reload. That's besides the already existing dominance of blue in combo and control. And while I...
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    I do admit that I consider TC / DTT as similar cards, which isn't entirely correct.
    Evidently the deck that runs all 20 is jeskai ascendency and omnitell, in brainstorm/ponder/force/probe/DTT or TC...
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    Are you really comparing the variations of blue core decks in all its flexibility, be it combo/aggro/control, with the variations of loam? Ofcourse blue cards take up space, but their cantrippy...
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    While it's true there are decks that keep up versus brainstorm/TC/... , you can't deny that these decks are limited in their possibilities. Loam evidently needs a deck full of abusable lands, Elves -...
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    Consistency is a good, necessary thing. Its a bad thing though to have it monopolized by one color.

    Or as this person perfectly sketches the difference between blue and non-blue (couldn't have...
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    Or lands, which puts down remarkable results in comparison to the limited amount of people playing the deck.

    Sure there are nonblue strategies that do very well, but it's not only about what you...
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    Definitely true, but it's not about just power level. Players will buy these play these cards because they are powerfull and easily added in multiple decks and therefore being a good investment,...
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    You might add up +4 gytaxianprobe (or other cantrip) +2-4TC / DTT for most builds.
    Giving about 20 cards or half a decks spells as a core blue shell.
    And mostly accompanied by temposhell cards as...
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    They are all cantripcreatures, reducing cantrippower would reduce their power as well. But I agree that other decks like Miracles, or Storm, would take a far harder blow in the banning of brainstorm...
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    Lemnear, I don't have a hard time to see things as you do. I even don't disagree. But an argumentation pro brainstorm does not address the problem of the blue shell, it seems like an argumentation...
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    This is part of my dislike of where the format is going. It is simply too easy, cantripping was already very good but now you can cantrip into oblivion for the win as well. Where's the careful...
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