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John Madden is a genius. ......

On topic could silence be used in the white shell to stop all removal before playing the hushwing or dreadnought?

Anyone running Counterbalance still?

Correct. It does not trigger.

Makes playing bob much tougher with fow and misdirection maindeck.

Very


Interesting....I like the idea with shaman, I think he is better then Grim as well... Is counterbalance playable to stop the swords to plowshares that constantly pwn our dreadnoughts?

this, blood moon owns them.

I'm curious myself how you did I've always loved beating face with a 12/12:tongue:

How has your white splash been doing? Seems awkward to splash a whole color just to add mom?

Maybe just run more counters?

FOw, daze, spell pierce, and fluster storm. Keeps your base UB. with...

Matt whats your current list look like?

I've been playing UBr i even picked up a NM german badlands :laugh:

aggro based

3 tombstalker
4 delver
3 clique

has anyone who went UB tried bump in the night? adds reach while staying in color.

I love to see dreadnoughts being played again. I think spell peirce is important for us to push the orb thru...

What is team Portugal?

How did you make out? I've been playing bant and reanimator but somthing about trampling people faces with 12/12's I miss. Stifle and wasteland is so strong I miss playing it.

Possible to run...

Don't worry about the ' name ' post up the stiflenaught list broseph.

I'm still testing, I really miss my collar for grim lavamancer. I havnt tested snapcaster mage yet.

I'm going to be testing CB thopters cause moat seems to be amazing in this meta vs aggro and CB...

Heading out for my first go round with this, expect fish, junk, entrantress, team america and hopefully goblins.

4 Dreadnought
4 Dark Confidant
3 Grim Lavamancer
2 Vendilion Clique

4 Force...

That mana base seems good, i love the basics. I'm doing some testing tomorrow:smile:

I really like smother vs ghastly demise since we are using grim.

the main thing i need to decide is 4...

I think duress would b great, I'm unsure how to fit it. If were adding black I think we must add Bob .
What is your mana base?

Matt, me and you are totally on the same page!! I'm working on a mana base now with my team. Seas, Volcanics, is badlands needed? I also require basics at least 1 of each in any mana base. :smile:

I agree, i dont like jitte in that list. Its a great card but not much use here. you win in 2 swings with or without it. Divert seems fantasic i will be testing it

I really like the idea of the grindstone combo. I like it because it allows to win in 1 turn, doesn't die to as much removal, and doesn't worry about racing other creatures. I'm going to test this...

Mind posting your list so we can compair?

If you want you can just PM me

I could remove 1 island for a volcanic, but I do like being able when SHTF to be able to get UU with basics

Lands
3 Underground Sea
3 Wasteland
2 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
3 Tropical Island
3 Tundra
2 Island

Creatures

Would you guys say in the current meta u/b/w dreadstill is a better choice then pro-bant?

I enjoying playing counterbalance and nopro has been good to me so far. I do like the fact tho that this...

Well price is not really my objection anymore. I've already made eva green just looking for a consistent tier 1 deck. I like the style of dreadstill alot. Also a fan of somthing with natural order...