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Lftl is kinda more mana intensive, but isn't destroyed by Krosan grip, which will be Sided against you for sure.

I've taken Vindication list to a local tournament yesterday and completly crap out, loosing to: Death and Taxes, Domain zoo and Aggro-Loam.

Yup, that wasn't cool at all.

I like your idea, but would change a couple o' things:

-4 Spell snare
+4 Daze

The reason looks obvious to me: 6 Stifle, 3-4 Vindicate, 3 Wasteland. Yeah.

Other 2 card I want:

+1 Crucible

Considering I use Muradin's list, what would be your SB plan against UGW Thresh? I really want the REB's for eventually Trygons. I want the extra EE for sure, and the Relics also.

SO:

+1x EE...

Disenchant looks really weak when we need to sideboard agaisnt CB. I would maybe go with Oblivion ring or even Return to dust before running disenchant.

In this spot:

3x Oblivion ring
1x...

It really depends against which deck/player you play. If you feel he has wastelands, maybe wait a bit and do not play it on turn 2. There's exceptions on this: Decks that have pro activs weapons such...

Against Red Trash, Blood moon is really better, since they can't burn it.

I also very like your list, I will give it a try for sure.

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I agree. Whatever, as I tested, I do not want to drop to 20 lands, nor to 3 standstills. I just think Ponder doesn't deserve a spot in this thight MD.

I don't feel cutting those are bad plans, except the 2nd EE which I love so much to cut. But in addition of the green splash, I would hardly know what to cut. In UGr list, we already cut the 3rd...

If you guys have problems with Aggro decks, why don't you just run an UGr version. I really think it's so much better. I faced Goblins twice on tournament with my UGWr list and Tarmogoyf, Swords, BEB...

Yes i did. I'm running it in Canadian Trash and it is really good.

What you guys do against a resolved Tombstalker? I wouldn't play Dreadstill without a Bounce or any removal.

I really think it's lacking in your build. Maybe in the Grip's or the Needle's spots,...

The swords are now in SB. They've replaced by Spell snares.

About the Dreadnought: I find he's good against ANT because he puts pressure on them to combo quickly and not necessarily have all their...

In UGR or UGWr build, I take off Goyfs for 3x REB's to counter mysticals.

Yup, it's what I said to myself after that tournament.

I tested against an ITF player and it's really not that bad. Really nice and though games, but I would say 55/45 in UGWr favor. I don't know about Ur.

About Magus of the moon:

Do not forget...

I used to run UGR or UGWr and not having that much problems against TA. Pretty much 60-40 for us. I already explained why and how I play against this MU. It's really NOT my worst MU. Nor mono-black....

-2 EE (i run 2)
-1 Trinket Mage
-1 Dreadnought
-1 Trickbind


+2 Echoing truth
+3 REB

Trinket isn't that good when we side out EE, and against TA, I try to side out everything's mana...

Against TA:

1- You have more counters than them. If you always let 1 mana open, they only have 4 force of will. It might be hard to do because of their LD, but 2 things might be considered in...

To J.V. and Shay:

How is Shay's list at the moment? The tweak you've made on the UGr list is doing something good? Is crucible a good card in the deck? What about MD grips and fire/ice? And most...

When I was playing UGr in an aggro metagame, I was playing Echoing Truth MD instead of Spell Snare. I tested the same list yesterday with Spell snare and against control, it's just really better. As...

Hi everyong,

I'm pretty used to play 4c Dreadstill on a heavy aggro meta. On the next tournament I'll go, I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of control decks:

4c Landstill
UWb Cunning...

Don't know why I didn't think to White stax because when I used to play UGR only, I had E.T. MD and it was pretty useful against stax.

I thought to something else: Bouncing a permanent with...

Bounce + counter it when recasted.
Bounce tokens.
Save Dreadnought?
Bounce before Standstill.
Bounce Stalker if doesn't have mana/cards in graveyard enough to recast it.
Good CC.

There's many...

For how long have you been playing Crucible, JV? Also, how do you like 22 lands? I'm pretty ambivalent on this. In my 4c build, I used to have 22.

Questions for Shay: Is Grip better than Spell...