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Yeah i understand it, still don't like it, and think it's silly to have untouchable "pillars" in any format. I also think it sucks for game play reasons. I've played against brainstorm for decades, i...

Yet another card that's strictly worse than brainstorm and ponder that gets banned for their sins. Wheee

As I’ve mentioned in this thread probably half a dozen times before. Frantic Search shouldn’t be banned by any metric. Literally any argument you could make to defend it is nonsense.
“Too Powerful”...

HARD DISAGREE, this card is ruining our format! Ban PEEK!!!
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@Taco
Agreed that the hidden info isn't a reasonable...

Well this is the whole problem with discussing the banned list in general especially in Legacy, there is lots of criteria but that doesn't necessarily matter at all.

BS as WOTC has said, meets...

But that's true of at least 700 of these 1000 pages!


The format seems to be in a similar place to the original standard format in the 90's, where the philosophy was "ban everything until necro...

So no grumbling about how the top 16 of the GP was literally 13 Force BS Ponder decks 2 Chalice decks and a copy of Lands?

Man this forum has changed.

This meta looks like balls.

When i made my post about Frantic i honestly didn't even think there could be someone who seriously believed the power level was too high for legacy, i didn't think it would be a controversial take...

Frantic Search being banned is another more laughable one.

Like compare the "power" of Frantic Search to any of these cards:

Brainstorm
Ponder
Faithless Looting

Which seems bannable on...

Concerning Pauper 100% agreed.

As someone who owns 3 play sets of either signed or foil or both, Gitaxian Probes, i'm going to shove them into every pauper deck i have whether they want them or...

And yet again I have to ask, why in good gravy is frantic search still banned? Come on prisoner exchange, take some under powered cards off the list.

In storm the discard is strong cause you can win in the same turn as your discard, so hiding a counter on top isn't as useful unless you can then draw it again that turn.

But as a disruptive...

With the printing of Hollow One, no one should be clamouring for Survival to come back.
Which was always the problem, the more creatures and interactions that get printed the better Survival gets,...

For me the two are the same and headed into round 3 I'd want to face something different.

If I probe on turn one and see:
Brainstorm, ponder, bolt, DRS, force, fetch and a sea
I still don't...

Frantic Search still too strong for Legacy... lol.

Bless your heart.

This line is super interesting and should keep this thread going for a long time:

" In the interest of color diversity, Cloud of Faeries is banned from Pauper."

HOW IS EVERYONE STILL RESPONDING?!?!?!?!

Y'all being trolled hard.

Either that or we have found one of the least logical and rational people in the game.

I shed no tears at TC getting banned and i wont' miss DTT either, but really are either of those cards actually better or more powerful than brainstorm?

It honestly feels like one of those, ban...

That is certainly a lot of words being put into my mouth and a bunch of arguments i never made. I'm glad everything i've said can be dismissed because other people said completely different things. :(

You are totally right me moving the goalposts all willy nilly is incorrigible. I dislike larger numbers and more data especially when they are available. I'm actually totally fine with 9th through...

This is a totally great point, especially when taken into the context of the full top 32, which has 7 whole non Brainstorm decks! this is looking healthy, and one of those decks features 3 main deck...

Agreed that the bar is ludicrously high.



I don't know that it ever has to be over anything else. If we got to 90%+ penetration that would probably be reason enough. The fact that we are at...

I don't believe that for a second.
Look at modern and vintage. Ponder, Preordain, Brainstorm are all banned/restricted in other formats. To think Wotc is unwilling to ban these cards makes zero...

Ah the good old, ban everything but necro, then ban necro anyway after it doesn't work. They tried this plan in the 90's it didn't work or make sense then, and 20 years later it still doesn't.
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