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I don't understand why people are so scared of Hermit Druid. The breakfast combo is absolute trash. Sure this guy makes it a one card combo I guess. It's still breakfast combo though.

That means...

In the interest of being sick of hearing about banning things,

Demonic Consultation vs Imperial Seal. Is either of them at all safe or is the problem that they could work well in not combo or what?

They will ban Treasure Cruise just as soon as they ban Temporal Mastery.

Every time I see the word Survival in this thread I stop and move on to the next post. It makes it so much more bearable.

Looks like the bitching about prices and reprints thread in here.

Black Vise is only good in your opener.

It's trash against combo.
It's poor against aggro (lol).
Its OK against tempo.
It's good against control.

The only decks actually doing mana denial...

Obviously Cheeri0s is going to dominate the format.

The SCG site seems to make it look like 13th place was the first list w/o brainstorm at the invitational and then not another until 22nd.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I missed the merfolk...

I think the point is that each card is an ubiquitous icon of the format.

Hey guys you see that there were Temporal Mastery in the top 8?

BAN IT!

I think anybody worried about druid should make a list and test it aginst top decks. I think you will be surprised.

What are you even talking about with hermit? You dont just magically win when your library goes to your graveyard. How are you winning exactly? What is with people thinking druid just magically wins...

No I was talking about Hermit Druid coming off the list not survival.

Survival is a whole different story.

Perhaps people here haven't played breakfast or are remembering it with some kind of illogical nostalgia.

The power of the deck is largely based on it's speed. You run a low land count with lots...

A few combo pieces =
3 Narco
1 Redcap
1 Dread Return
1 Mimeoplasm
1 Lord of Extinction
4 Hermit

That's 11 cards, 7 of which you basically never want in your hand. Hermit druid taps and you...

You save four slots. You also now have to wait for summoning sickness. If you try to come up with any nonsense solutions to that, those are just taking back those slots you just saved.

You need...

Earthcraft? Really? I don't even understand why people are scared of this card. I bet nobody can produce a list of anything that goes over the top with this. So Elves might be good? That's fine isn't...

Reforge the Soul is just going to be a better Diminishing Returns for TES.

That's all it's going to do to TES. It's better than Diminishing Returns. They both give the opponent a new hand but...
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That's too bad.
It's odd that they haven't unbanned some of these things.