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Sure you gain a lot by your opponent "missing" on answering the turn1 threat, but the game isn't literally over. Whereas not having the turn 1 Force of Will vs Oops means you 100% lose the game...

Not to argue Iteration should be banned, but the Oko era taught us that if a 3-mana card is actually good enough Delver can and will play it.

As an aside, Zoo won't be playable until it gets...

This. If anything aggro should be thriving off the back of Goyf/Ragavan/whatever other pushed 1 and 2 drops have been printed. If you want to go all in on trying to end the game you should be playing...

No game pieces exist in a vacuum. Without a supporting cast Mind's Desire is a worse Unexpected Results.

Screw it, as soon as I'm allowed to leave my house I'll build some janky Ux whatever...

Wipe this meme from the face of the earth. I understand this is the designated shitposting thread but we gotta draw the line SOMEWHERE

who's gonna say it

Having a dual-like isnt enough, you need a card that is situationally BETTER than a dual so there's a real reason to run it as a side-grade. ETB untapped, produce two colors, and fetchable is the...

Someone who really wants to beat graveyard nonsence. That's his point, several viable hate pieces exist, but if people don't want to see them game one than that's their choice.

Doesn't Veil in theory beat Dark Ritual by protecting you and your hate though? And it still has enough relevant text against the field to slot into the mainboard.

This is unreal. They actually...

Before I go any further I should admit that I'm 100% biased. I love casting Veil.



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Fast combo has been accepted as part of the format to the point where it's expected to exist....

I don't actually want Force banned, I'm trying to point out the absurdity of wanting a card banned because it's not being used "for the correct reason" whatever that means.

Force of Will is supposed to be used defensively, but players are using Force of Will to remove potential blockers and resolve Show and Tell. Sorry but for the good of the format we need to ban Force...

IDK about that. Pyroblast shows up in maindecks every few years, given the prevalence of the color blue this shouldn't be concerning or surprising at all.

There HAS to be another card besides a 2019 planeswalker that can act as a threat in those slots. TNN? Dack maybe?
At any rate there's a greater-than-zero chance we'll wind up in this same mess...

In a stunning twist, the only thing that got banned today was regular banlist updates.

Right. And in the case of a theoretical Deathrite ban there would be nothing stopping you from playing it alongside your own (theoretically legal) Wrenn and Six. Going turn 1 Shaman turn 2 W6 sounds...

That only makes sense if the problem is Wrenn and Six the card and not the decks that W6 can be played in. How many times have people said "W6 would be fine if it couldn't be played in blue decks?"

In what universe is DRS not in the same deck as W6

No unbans this time. 100% convinced the "prisoner exchange" policy is a farce. Unban Earthcraft you cowards.



I don't like it one bit. People like to say that legacy can and will adjust itself...

The point about fair blue decks keeping fair non-blue decks in contention seems a bit silly. The cards that would in theory propel Jund whatever to tier 2 work just as well in Uxx goodstuff. The...

There's also the fact that non-blue fair decks still can't beat Dark Ritual.

I think this is actually a good point. The viability of any strategy is inversely proportionate to you opponent's ability to meaningfully interact. I'm absolutely in love with Enchantress builds,...

Not to get even further off topic or take you out of context, but I've seen people making this argument for years about so many different thing and I still have no idea what it actually means. Hell,...

Man, I wish this theoretical meta comes to be so I can just slam 4 Suppression Field in everything.

I was willing to believe this until they had Deathrite Shaman and Gitaxian Probe shot and thrown out of a plane without giving us anything. Now I find it more likely that they think Earthcraft is too...