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    Have you really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?



    That's another possible solution. "Ban Brainstorm" isn't, because it ain't gonna happen.
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    It's not about making sense, its about reality. Brainstorm will never be banned in Legacy. It's the iconic card - this was cemented when WotC printed Brainstorm as the GPNJ mat, as opposed to, say,...
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    I think if you hit Ponder + Delver, GBx decks come back with enough strength to make Miracles less ubiquitous. Delver puts a ton of weird pressure on the format because it rewards playing spells,...
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    That's why the data looks a little confusing to me, because DTT should show up earlier also.

    It'll be interesting to see if the new Days Undoing Affinity deck has enough speed + Chalices to really...
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    Hey look, nedleeds bitching about legacy and cantrips. If you hate the format so much, maybe you should just play Vintage instead?

    The most interesting thing to me is how from the data no one...
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    Why do you think player opinion has 0 effect?
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    Player opinion does matter, but its not the only thing that matters.

    Brainstorm is proactive, while Misstep is reactive. Does this impact the decision? Probably. Is it the most important factor?...
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    Player Opinion is definitely the hardest one to measure. But, I don't think that you can say that there are more people who enjoy Mental Misstep in the format than people who enjoy Brainstorm in the...
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    Every time you say "cantrip cartel", I giggle. You should write propaganda for a living.

    I believe the root of our disagreement is about the purpose of the Ban list: It is about "Will banning this...
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    Grixis taking market share from bug, so to speak, is pretty good for fair decks - I hadn't even thought of that.

    I think Miracles is fine, personally, and I hate playing against it. In some ways...
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    Yeah, looking at the lists left me even more confused about SCG naming conventions...

    Personally I don't want to see Bx midrange take over - I don't want to see any archetype take over (and this...
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    I'll never capitulate on Junk, RUG, or BUG.
    Mardu? Sure, nobody used Dega or Oros (at least until WotC announced Mardu and everyone tried to claim old-school cred), and Team Italia confused some...
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    Junk Deathblade top 4.

    Elves and Deadguy Ale Top 8.

    #OnlyBlueDecksCanPlace
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    Hahahahaha, this is brilliant!

    Well said. We've seen a bunch of new decks in the last couple years. Legacy is the format of consistency. Eventually, other colors will get one-mana consistency...
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    I would like to point out that most decks don't run Preordain. Brainstorm always, Ponder usually, Preordain much more rarely.
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    Yeah, Brainstorm is a better card. Here's ned's argument though:



    To get back to my point, the actually important thing about Salvage is that it only hits creatures or lands, which makes...
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    This is exactly how I feel.



    I completely agree that Brainstorm is a better card than Thought Scour (or any other card in Legacy - though there will always be a "best card"). nedleeds was...
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    So like I said, your Logic is:

    Brainstorm sees more play than Thought Scour.
    Thought Scour is good at feeding Delve
    Therefore Brainstorm is better at feeding Delve than Thought Scour.

    By your...
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    I played your game once, now its your turn.

    Take a stab at answering the questions below:

    In what way is Brainstorm a more powerful enabler than a cantripping dark ritual for Delve? What...
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    You seem to be confusing correlation and causation.
    Brainstorm is good.
    Dig Through Time is good.
    Thought Scour is unplayable outside of its interaction with Delve.
    We see that Brainstorm and DTT...
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    At no point did I say that Brainstorm was bad with delve. Nice strawman.
    What I said was, DTT makes powerful Salvage-style cards unprintable. Do you disagree?
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    Salvage at B/G is great when you go Brainstorm>Salvage.
    Salvage at B/G is terrible when you go Salvage>Mill your Brainstorm because you can't chain with Salvage.



    An inconsistent Legacy format...
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    Two things. A) My entire argument is based on "Bring B/G/W up to par power-level-wise" with blue. This implies that counterspell decks should be less ubiquitous, especially if the common sentiment...
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    I think it's important to distinguish the two types of Brainstorm decks - Blue Combo (Turn 4 or earlier) and Blue Beats (Turn 4 or later).

    Grisly Salvage at B/G would certainly get splashed into...
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    Full disclosure, I play brainstorm.

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    I really wish that Grisly Salvage was B/G hybrid instead of BG. Something like that is needed to bring a little more conistency to non-blue decks. That's...
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