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Except you know, the vast majority of people actually playing the format. The posters in this thread should just make their own legacy without all those cards and be joined by the five other people...

Are people on here really saying decks like Hollow One and Bogles are healthy while complaining about TNN and YP? The quality of this forum continues to go deeper into the gutter.

Are there any blue cards that shouldn't be banned?

This is the worst logic imaginable for running a format. "Decks have to have less than X creatures and not be able to kill before turn X in order for it to be considered a control deck and it must...

Show and Tell into Bargain would be hotness.

Again, I have no idea who other people play against or what builds they're using, but the Predict version makes Shardless feel pretty comfortable. It's a grind, but Miracles will easily outgrind...

I'm not sure what Miracles decks you've been playing or which pilots you follow but Shardless and Eldrazi are def not unfavorable for Miracles, though Eldrazi might be a little ahead. Shardless is...

@Dice_Box: I feel the same way about the format with Miracles. Its worst match up is 50/50 which is just insane.

I'm positive LD and Countermagic were phased out for the same reason: most players didn't find it fun. LD is miserable in the fact it creates non-games and it's definitely been good for the game for...

This is by far the worst analysis of legacy I've ever seen here. It totally ignores everything actually happening in tournaments.

Being the best deck in the format and being double the percentage of any other deck during that time period? Does that not make it the king?

When was the last time Miracles wasn't the best deck?

That's the issue, people brag about their supposedly "good" Miracles match ups and they're at about 50/50 at best. Even my heavily metagamed Waterfalls variant still needs significant hate cards in...

There's no requirement that a deck like that has to be in Legacy when there are so many other decks that don't exist. If you need near creatureless decks with permission to be a thing that's fine,...

Anything that's reported on TC and MTGTop 8, which is a pretty good sketch of what Legacy looks like.

6 rounds is a cut off The Source has used before and there are pages and pages of arguments...

Doesn't that argument go the other way, as in good players are running Miracles because it's already such a strong deck.

I've kept data since 2012 on anything 6 rounds and over and Miracles is the only constant with a 15% meta share for almost 4 years now. Miracles has been far and away the only deck to do that. I'm...

There's tons of data points for how prevalent Miracles is, why would you focus on just a single event? Why does this one Open take precedence over all the other tournaments?

I've always liked the Flores classification when discussing decks from his Finding the Tinker Deck article. Lands isn't a Weismann deck as much as it's a Prison/Tinker deck.

I play pretty regularly, and Oath at that. Making it beatable doesn't change the fact that Shops is still too strong and that it took up way too much of the meta for Wizards' taste. All I've been...

Or maybe they're just right about Shops being too powerful? I mean it's a group of all plat pros and HoFers, but they're all dumb right?

I keep thinking that maybe one day this forum will get...

This is one of the best announcements I've seen in a long time; if Top was on there it'd probably have been perfect.

Your entire argument consists of, "Well it's not like 50% of the top 8s and it doesn't have creatures so that's really important!" I'm not sure what kind of intellectual honesty you're looking for.

If you think looking at the last 5 events is all that's needed to see what a format is then there is nothing more to discuss, suffice it to say it's one of the poorest ideas I've seen yet on how to...

I've been keeping meta data for two years and Miracles is far and away the best performer over that time period, that's an extended period of dominance. Not sure why you think look at six events is...