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All of these cards have a tempo cost (except Unmask, which costs card advantage), while Probe does not. If Probe cost a blue mana it wouldn't be ban worthy. Being free is enormous. It allows for turn...

I know you're being facetious, but seriously, Fetchlands + Brainstorm = card quality filter engine, by definition:

Engine: A card or combination of cards which produce a powerful, often...

The 8% is misleading because you could only select one option of the 10 presented. So 8% of those polled believed it was the most bannable card of those 10. The poll was also closed almost ten years...

Just for the record, going by the years' worth of discussion in this thread, it's not clear that those who want Brainstorm banned are in the minority. It's likely they are, but by a margin far...

I'd play the hell out of it. I miss Food Chain Goblins so fucking bad.

It's certainly not definitive, but to say it says nothing is just wrong. It has a history in the format. It wasn't arbitrarily placed on the ban list - it was put there because it allowed a single...

Before Legacy was Legacy, Mana Drain was one of the three strongest cards in the format by a pretty wide margin. It can stay where it is.

As a general rule of thumb that makes perfect sense, but in certain cases it does not. There's a parallel here to the reason why Survival is banned and not Vengevine; as long as Survival was legal,...

What I'm saying is that your comparison wasn't apt because Survival is fun for one party and distinctly unfun for the other. The same is not true of Brainstorm.

Furthermore, it can easily be...

No, it's not. Survival is absolutely unfun to play against. If it resolves, you basically go "well, this game's probably over." And even if it isn't, watching your opponent durdle with his deck every...

It was unbanned in 1.5, before Legacy even was Legacy, when the cardpool was deeper and the decks more powerful, and it wasn't dominant even then.

Myself and Artowis originally ported the deck to...

Go ahead and make a thread/poll for it if you want. As long as it stays on topic with regards to how a particular ban would affect Miracles specifically, it can stay open. I suspect it will quickly...

It's a poor comparison. Games are not determined by who is able to resolve Brainstorm first.

@Zilla: I don't know that this is a fruitful way to approach that question.[/QUOTE]
I agree wholeheartedly, but I was responding to a comment that framed it in this context.

Brainstorm doesn't...

Which decks specifically has Brainstorm pushed out of the meta?

This is a rather specious argument, because it ignores that decks in category 1 run the gamut from aggro control to combo to pure control. Suggesting they're basically the same deck because they...

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God I wish that were true. I stumbled across a copy of his high school yearbook in a local thriftstore and I would love to get it signed.

http://mtgthesource.com/downloads/garfield_yearbook.jpg

Why? It's splashable in literally every deck, which is why virtually every archetype is represented in this format at a competitive level. Would you have a problem with Brainstorm if it was colorless?

No one is arguing they serve different roles in different decks. They're saying the decks are so strategically different as a whole that the fact they both run those cards is irrelevant.

Basically...

Back on topic, please. Thanks. -zilla

That's not his point at all, which he made pretty clear in the last sentence in the post to which you're responding.

His point isn't that those cards are less powerful than legal ones so they...

Disagree with this sentiment. In the case of TNN, it's very much about the fun factor. I know you know this, but it bears repeating: TNN isn't banworthy because it's unbeatable, it's banworthy...

Tombstalker > TNN, is the biggest reason. TA also has a stronger game against the decks that do well against TNN/SFM decks than Shardless does.

It bears repeating that most people want the card banned because it creates games that are consistently unfun to play and watch, not because the metagame is unable to adjust to it. I could adjust to...