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I think Daze is a completely legitimate card to run, but I think if you are going to do that, you should also run Delver.

I think both red and black offer good options. It really depends on the perceived meta.

Black offers Creeping Tar Pit and Fatal Push for the maindeck with various useful sideboard options like...

I'm curious if something like this could be viable going forward:

U/W Landstill

Lands (24)
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Arid Mesa
4 Tundra
2 Island

Myth Realized deserves an honorable mention in a shell with Humility, as does Stoneforge Mystic + equipment. Also, Lingering Souls could be good in an Esper version.

Comparing Elspeth to Humility or Wrath of God is like comparing Jace to Standstill or Ancestral Visions.

When you say very weak, are you implying that the card itself is weak, or that it's weaker than Jace would be in the same situation? Against NO Progenitus, neither Jace nor Elspeth is actually...

Elspeth is absolutely amazing, as she has always been. Jace has blinded people to this. I've been running a 2/2 split in my U/W Control decks for the last year+, and I'd never consider cutting...

Why do you need to draw cards though? Counterbalance costs the same mana as Standstill, is also a blue enchantment, and generates massive amount of card advantage too. However, rather than putting...

In a more tempo oriented CounterTop deck, blind flips might be important, but in a control shell like Landstill, blind flipping isn't that important. You plan on getting to the deep lategame, and...

I'm not saying everybody should play Counterbalance in the maindeck. I tried saying that before, but it eventually changes the deck into a deck that's not Landstill, so that's not what I was getting...

I don't understand the point of running narrow answers in a deck that needs broad general answers. If Burn is a problem, run Counterbalance.

You've totally taken David Price's comment out of context. If you're playing aggro/control like New Horizons (which was what he was referring to), then yes. His spells require alot of colors, UU, GG,...

Shackles is pretty savage against Merfolk, if you have enough Swords and Paths to get that far.

Counterbalance smashes Burn.

I never said those matchups were unwinnable. He asked what some bad matchups were, so I listed some bad matchups. Also, you're off your rocker if you think Merfolk isn't a bad matchup.

Oh, and...

The versions without Counterbalance?

Aggro Loam, Dragon Stompy, Goblins, Merfolk, Cat Sligh, Fast Zoo, Storm Combo.

There's others, but that's a long enough list already.

Didn't U/W Control from back in the day run Serra Angels?

I know Landstill used to run (and some still do) Eternal Dragon, and I consider Mishra's Factory to be a creature. So basically, U/W...

In this deck? No. I meant that before I started looking into Esper Charm, I'd be looking into Predict (for the builds with Top).

However, I'm still of the viewpoint that Landstill is a dying...

You can have redundancy without the classic shell, though.



I like Esper Charm, I've seen it used to good effect. It's a bit restrictive in cost though.

For those running Top, seriously...

Why can't I? I see buttloads of discussion going on in this thread about classical versions of Landstill, with very little to no discussion elsewhere.



It has nothing to do with not being...

QFT. Main reason why discussing the evolution of control in the Landstill thread is like beating a dead horse. Unfortunately, the large majority of control players, or those who want to play control,...

Jace TMS is retardedly good, and those who think otherwise are only fooling themselves, Cid. No point in trying to convince people that don't want to be convinced.

People with that idea apparently don't understand that Mishra's Factory in fact IS a creature upon activation, and therefore the opponent's Swords to Plowshares and Lightning Bolts ARE relevant...

Once you start running Dreadstill, what is stopping you from just taking the next step and playing Merfolk?

Unfortunately, I've been developing that archtype for years, and its evolution is no longer Landstill. The deck is still very reminiscent of Landstill, where it originated from, but it no longer runs...