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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    TS is not a great card right now and Shadow isn't a big get if you're losing Murktide (both cards fill a similar role), so once you commit to playing the same package of 8 one-drops you're basically...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    I have to stop you there because this idea has no clear definition. I assume you mean just like, good cards?


    Ok but there's nothing to stop powercreep also affecting "non-1-card combo" decks...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Yes


    Yes (although this point and the previous one might be slightly overstated as Grixis Delver was an entirely functional deck even with the DRS ban and had somewhat similar mana requirements)...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Spelltable FNM:

    4 Deaths Shadow
    4 Street Wraith
    4 Baleful Strix
    2 Tombstalker (wanted these to be murktide regents)

    4 Ponder
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Yes, if you want to play this deck with the card Delver of Secrets in it then it's basically just worse Grixis Delver:
    - No red spells
    - Casts BB spells more easily
    - You get the benefit of...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Relegated to, maybe? Was always, no

    The "your only axis of attack is the combat step" problem is true to a certain extent, but compared to the other delver decks it only reflects the idea that...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    - You can't play aggro/tempo as well as UR because your removal spells don't double as burn/reach and you have discard spells in your deck

    - You don't want to play a long game (at least in game 1,...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Cards in normal Death's Shadow don't need to work "together", they just work by themselves.

    The idea that "oh you aren't actually supposed to escape Kroxa, you only hardcast it as a 2 mana 6/6...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    It's a creative idea but it seems too inconsistent / fragile and I'm not convinced the mana will be good enough for Kroxa escape

    I don't mind playing 1 Disapprove in a normal shadow deck as like a...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Well on one hand if you don't have delver providing a clock then your opponent might have time to draw more lands to stabilize, but if you do have Stifle instead of Delver then that's hopefully the...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Truehero has been playing a list like this (just off the top of my head, I can't remember the SB)

    13 UB source
    4 Wasteland

    4 Ponder
    4 Brainstorm
    4 FoW
    4 Daze
    4 Thoughtseize
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Wrt to some of the discussion here:
    - Glint Sleeve Siphoner smoked me in standard a bunch of times, but not being able to play it with 1+ energy ready to go from Aether Hub or Attune makes it much...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    New Idea

    4 Watery Grave
    2 Underground Sea
    8 Fetchlands
    4 Wasteland

    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Death's Shadow
    4 Dark Confidant
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Yeah but you're presenting this as a false dilemma where the 2 choices are A) Try to colourscrew opp off white or B) Play postboard games vs control as the Game 1 deck with no SB whatsoever

    In...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    That is theorycrafting way too far up the ass, "colourscrew opp off white" is just not sensible. In an ideal world it might sound nice (just like surgicaling all of RUG tropicals or whatever).
    ...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Maindeck pop is really bad in Delver unless you can reliably pivot to being a burn deck, which you can't really do with this list (compared to e.g. a UR delver list which would probably have multiple...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    same list
    2-0 vs BR Reanimator
    2-0 vs RUG Reclaimer (maybe a brew idk)
    1-2 vs RUG Delver
    Still a winning record but seems impossible to get the RUG delver matchup much better than 50/50 (although...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    I don't think enabling your opponent's gy synergies is a huge issue otherwise I wouldn't be playing Gargoyle.

    The main problem with TGE in the context of "I don't think delver is very good, what...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    some more results with gargoyle

    4 Shadow
    4 Gargoyle
    4 Wraith
    2 Strix

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 FoW
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Thing in the ice fucks up your sequencing, because it asks you to play it before all your Hymn/Removal etc and it's not Modern UR Phoenix where you can flashback your looting / lavadart etc to remove...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Gargoyle is not very difficult to turn on (although 4x Hymn is of course a factor in that), usually if you need to activate it 1-2 times that's acceptable. Against Uro it's not great but the overall...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    I would say that the "stock build" of the deck has 2 main. I wouldn't rely on primers much because they can become outdated pretty quickly:

    4 Delver
    4 Shadow
    2 Angler
    2 Borrower
    4 Wraith

    4...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Played this at a small local
    2-0 vs Jund Phoenix
    1-2 vs Hogaak (Kept a seven on the play in g3 with 3 wraiths daze shadow no lands and bricked, have about a 60% chance to hit a coloured land turn...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    If it was so bad to play a threat on turn 2-onwards then you need to explain (preferably in 100 words or less, I know this is difficult for you) why goyf/arcanist are so successful.
    If somebody just...
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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Flippy jace was played because it's card advantage, you can't really compare it to preordain.
    I kind of agree about 3drops (at least in the maindeck) borrower might be ok because it at least does...
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