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    What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

    What do you think should see more play?
    I'll start with:
    Djinn Illuminatus
    Scouting Trek + Clear the Land (Filter out your lands and get a mana boost. I have a deck revolving around this that I'll post after more testing)
    Terravore
    Parallel Thoughts + Diminishing Returns (draw your dream hand)
    Sacred Ground
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    Diabolic Visions (seriously a great card and fun to play)
    Thrumming Stone
    Niv-Mizzet + Curiosity
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    Djinn Illuminatus
    Seven mana that doesn't win you the game.
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    Scouting Trek + Clear the Land
    Two cards and five mana for very little effect.
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    Terravore
    Sees play in Aggro Loam, where it can truly be abused.
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    Parallel Thoughts + Diminishing Returns (draw your dream hand)
    Five extra mana so the seven cards you draw are a little better. Combo decks are the only ones that can really abuse a draw seven and they don't need Parallel Thoughts.
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    Sacred Ground
    Limited main deck material, worse then Crucible side board material.
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    UrzaTron
    Although Waste Land isn't as prominent as it was before, there isn't that great a reward for such a risky mana base.
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    Diabolic Visions
    Blue has better card draw and Lim-Dûl's Vault is a better tutor.
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    Thrumming Stone
    Five mana for a little effect.

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

    I agree on each of these thoughts. There are much better alternatives in Legacy, and even some of those never sees play. They are the truly underrated cards. Your suggested cards are just bad, sorry to say it. But like in your deck thread, Djinn Illuminatus is just too awesome to pass by, too bad it costs seven. At four mana, it would've been combo material.
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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

    Yeah, [in reference to the Djinn] I think it should have cost 5. At four it'd be pretty OP.

    Brainstorm 5x in a row, replicate your counters to win all the counter wars (late game), etc. But for 7 mana you just can't afford to play something that doesn't win the game outright.


    Diabolic Visions is cool, but Impulse is probably better. It's much easier to cast even in a UB deck, it can be used endstep, and it gets rid of the bad cards for the price of only seeing four instead of five cards.

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    Gifts Ungiven. I like that card, pitty it could only fit into a small number of decks in this format when there are so many ways to regrowth those cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willoe View Post
    I agree on each of these thoughts. There are much better alternatives in Legacy, and even some of those never sees play. They are the truly underrated cards. Your suggested cards are just bad, sorry to say it. But like in your deck thread, Djinn Illuminatus is just too awesome to pass by, too bad it costs seven. At four mana, it would've been combo material.
    What are some truly underrated cards?

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    Bitterblossom - life for creatures is just as good as life for cards? no, but it's still amazing.

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

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    What are some truly underrated cards?
    Enlightened Tutor and Powder Keg IMO. Among some others.
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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

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    Bitterblossom - life for creatures is just as good as life for cards? no, but it's still amazing.
    Bitterblossom is teh nutz...

    Every time I play a turn two bitterblossom, and my opponent has to read it... I know that I am going to win that game.

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

    Both Wall of Roots and Wall of Blossoms are greatly underplayed in Legacy. Same goes for the mighty Wing Shards. A spectacular white removal spell. Spiritmonger, who is one of my top 3 favorite creatures ever is way underutilized, bigger than Goyf and keeps getting bigger, regenerates and changes color, a massive threat that ends games fast.

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    Wall of Roots and Wall of Blossoms (especially Roots) were fine before Goyf. They're not now. That's just the way it is when you have a 2cc critter that can pretty easily get to 5 power.

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    The walls are cute but they have a lot of things wrong with them. They don't stop a first turn Lackey, they won't usually live through Goyfs, and why would you 1G for something other than Goyf?

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

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    Niv-Mizzet + Curiosity
    While I thoroughly love this combo, your only real option is to pitch Niv into the bin, bring him back with haste via Goryo's Vengeance or Shallow Grave, and then slap Curiosity (or Ophidian Eye?) on him. In all case's we're talking 4 mana (Careful Study/Putrid Imp + Shallow Grave + Curiosity) and 4 cards (I guess 4 mana and 3 cards if you Show and Tell instead), or 6 mana and 3 cards (Buried Alive/Intuition + Shallow Grave + Curiosity). The combo, sadly, requires too much effort. Hardcasting Niv-Mizzet was a viable option in Standard as a niche deck, it definitely is a game losing strategy in Legacy.


    My List:

    Underplayed - Dark Confidant, Aether Vial (it's good in more than just Goblins), Innocent Blood

    Severely underplayed - Sylvan Library, Skeletal Scrying,

    Wish it were playable (well kinda) - Capsize (Holy God is this thing unfun to play against and stupid broken when it gets going), O-Naginata (Goyf gets +3/+0 and trample, rawr!), Seizan Perverter of Truth, Oath of Ghouls (maybe in Goblins?).

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

    Capsize and Eternal Witness beats Rabid Wombat

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakish777 View Post
    While I thoroughly love this combo, your only real option is to pitch Niv into the bin, bring him back with haste via Goryo's Vengeance or Shallow Grave, and then slap Curiosity (or Ophidian Eye?) on him. In all case's we're talking 4 mana (Careful Study/Putrid Imp + Shallow Grave + Curiosity) and 4 cards (I guess 4 mana and 3 cards if you Show and Tell instead), or 6 mana and 3 cards (Buried Alive/Intuition + Shallow Grave + Curiosity). The combo, sadly, requires too much effort. Hardcasting Niv-Mizzet was a viable option in Standard as a niche deck, it definitely is a game losing strategy in Legacy.


    My List:

    Underplayed - Dark Confidant, Aether Vial (it's good in more than just Goblins), Innocent Blood

    Severely underplayed - Sylvan Library, Skeletal Scrying,

    Wish it were playable (well kinda) - Capsize (Holy God is this thing unfun to play against and stupid broken when it gets going), O-Naginata (Goyf gets +3/+0 and trample, rawr!), Seizan Perverter of Truth, Oath of Ghouls (maybe in Goblins?).
    Isn't Oversold Cemetery better than Oath of Ghouls? It does basically the same thing, except it's one-sided.

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

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    Bitterblossom is teh nutz...

    Every time I play a turn two bitterblossom, and my opponent has to read it... I know that I am going to win that game.
    What the hell kind of scrubs are you playing against that doesn't know what Bitterblossom is? It's only been the staple of one of the most dominant Standard decks for the last year.

    Severely underplayed - Sylvan Library, Skeletal Scrying,
    SDT completely outclasses Sylvan Library. It's a shame, too. I ran Sylvan Library in Survival for the longest time if anyone remembers way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but SDT is so much better.

    Skeletal Scrying is awesome. It's a shame we don't have control decks like we used to.

    Underplayed: Um...the entire Elf deck. It's sad I'm saying that, but the deck is redonk. Fooling around with it earlier today I played 3 Sylvan Messengers on turn 3, and then played something like 5 lords on turn 4. It was just silly. I personally think it outclasses Goblins given how explosive it is, but the whole Goblin Lackey thing still gives Gobbos the edge.

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    Re: What do you feel are the most underused/underplayed cards and Combos in Legacy?

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    SDT completely outclasses Sylvan Library. It's a shame, too. I ran Sylvan Library in Survival for the longest time if anyone remembers way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but SDT is so much better.
    Yes. But SDT doesn't draw cards, though it costs a ton of life.

    I still agree that it's a pity that Sylvan Library is underplayed because it's strange wording still makes it sick in combination with Hoofprints of the Stag.

    Skeletal Scrying is awesome. It's a shame we don't have control decks like we used to.
    I began playing Legacy with IBA's Mono Black Control "Jack Black" (Train Wreck without Greensplash) and it was good since you could compensate the lifeloss with Corrupt/Consume Spirit.

    Underplayed: Um...the entire Elf deck. It's sad I'm saying that, but the deck is redonk. Fooling around with it earlier today I played 3 Sylvan Messengers on turn 3, and then played something like 5 lords on turn 4. It was just silly. I personally think it outclasses Goblins given how explosive it is, but the whole Goblin Lackey thing still gives Gobbos the edge.
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    but the whole Goblin Lackey thing still gives Gobbos the edge.
    Lawnmower elves would like a word.

    Goblins is better only because of its amazingly disruptive landbase, You could easily make elves that mana base.
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