What do you think should see more play?
I'll start with:
Djinn Illuminatus
Scouting Trek + Clear the Land (Filter out your lands and get a mana boost. I have a deck revolving around this that I'll post after more testing)
Terravore
Parallel Thoughts + Diminishing Returns (draw your dream hand)
Sacred Ground
UrzaTron
Diabolic Visions (seriously a great card and fun to play)
Thrumming Stone
Niv-Mizzet + Curiosity
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Seven mana that doesn't win you the game.Two cards and five mana for very little effect.Sees play in Aggro Loam, where it can truly be abused.Five extra mana so the seven cards you draw are a little better. Combo decks are the only ones that can really abuse a draw seven and they don't need Parallel Thoughts.Limited main deck material, worse then Crucible side board material.Although Waste Land isn't as prominent as it was before, there isn't that great a reward for such a risky mana base.Blue has better card draw and Lim-Dûl's Vault is a better tutor.Five mana for a little effect.
I agree on each of these thoughts. There are much better alternatives in Legacy, and even some of those never sees play. They are the truly underrated cards. Your suggested cards are just bad, sorry to say it. But like in your deck thread, Djinn Illuminatus is just too awesome to pass by, too bad it costs seven. At four mana, it would've been combo material.
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Yeah, [in reference to the Djinn] I think it should have cost 5. At four it'd be pretty OP.
Brainstorm 5x in a row, replicate your counters to win all the counter wars (late game), etc. But for 7 mana you just can't afford to play something that doesn't win the game outright.
Diabolic Visions is cool, but Impulse is probably better. It's much easier to cast even in a UB deck, it can be used endstep, and it gets rid of the bad cards for the price of only seeing four instead of five cards.
Gifts Ungiven. I like that card, pitty it could only fit into a small number of decks in this format when there are so many ways to regrowth those cards.
Bitterblossom - life for creatures is just as good as life for cards? no, but it's still amazing.
Demigod of Revenge - "demigod? counter? trigger? 15?"
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Both Wall of Roots and Wall of Blossoms are greatly underplayed in Legacy. Same goes for the mighty Wing Shards. A spectacular white removal spell. Spiritmonger, who is one of my top 3 favorite creatures ever is way underutilized, bigger than Goyf and keeps getting bigger, regenerates and changes color, a massive threat that ends games fast.
Wall of Roots and Wall of Blossoms (especially Roots) were fine before Goyf. They're not now. That's just the way it is when you have a 2cc critter that can pretty easily get to 5 power.
The walls are cute but they have a lot of things wrong with them. They don't stop a first turn Lackey, they won't usually live through Goyfs, and why would you 1G for something other than Goyf?
While I thoroughly love this combo, your only real option is to pitch Niv into the bin, bring him back with haste via Goryo's Vengeance or Shallow Grave, and then slap Curiosity (or Ophidian Eye?) on him. In all case's we're talking 4 mana (Careful Study/Putrid Imp + Shallow Grave + Curiosity) and 4 cards (I guess 4 mana and 3 cards if you Show and Tell instead), or 6 mana and 3 cards (Buried Alive/Intuition + Shallow Grave + Curiosity). The combo, sadly, requires too much effort. Hardcasting Niv-Mizzet was a viable option in Standard as a niche deck, it definitely is a game losing strategy in Legacy.
My List:
Underplayed - Dark Confidant, Aether Vial (it's good in more than just Goblins), Innocent Blood
Severely underplayed - Sylvan Library, Skeletal Scrying,
Wish it were playable (well kinda) - Capsize (Holy God is this thing unfun to play against and stupid broken when it gets going), O-Naginata (Goyf gets +3/+0 and trample, rawr!), Seizan Perverter of Truth, Oath of Ghouls (maybe in Goblins?).
Capsize and Eternal Witness beats Rabid Wombat
^Happened :(
What the hell kind of scrubs are you playing against that doesn't know what Bitterblossom is? It's only been the staple of one of the most dominant Standard decks for the last year.
SDT completely outclasses Sylvan Library. It's a shame, too. I ran Sylvan Library in Survival for the longest time if anyone remembers way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but SDT is so much better.Severely underplayed - Sylvan Library, Skeletal Scrying,
Skeletal Scrying is awesome. It's a shame we don't have control decks like we used to.
Underplayed: Um...the entire Elf deck. It's sad I'm saying that, but the deck is redonk. Fooling around with it earlier today I played 3 Sylvan Messengers on turn 3, and then played something like 5 lords on turn 4. It was just silly. I personally think it outclasses Goblins given how explosive it is, but the whole Goblin Lackey thing still gives Gobbos the edge.
Yes. But SDT doesn't draw cards, though it costs a ton of life.
I still agree that it's a pity that Sylvan Library is underplayed because it's strange wording still makes it sick in combination with Hoofprints of the Stag.
I began playing Legacy with IBA's Mono Black Control "Jack Black" (Train Wreck without Greensplash) and it was good since you could compensate the lifeloss with Corrupt/Consume Spirit.Skeletal Scrying is awesome. It's a shame we don't have control decks like we used to.
Elves are insane, jipp. Clemens always changes his deck to Elves and smashes me after he got humiliated by me with *any deck I played*.Underplayed: Um...the entire Elf deck. It's sad I'm saying that, but the deck is redonk. Fooling around with it earlier today I played 3 Sylvan Messengers on turn 3, and then played something like 5 lords on turn 4. It was just silly. I personally think it outclasses Goblins given how explosive it is, but the whole Goblin Lackey thing still gives Gobbos the edge.
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Lawnmower elves would like a word.but the whole Goblin Lackey thing still gives Gobbos the edge.
Goblins is better only because of its amazingly disruptive landbase, You could easily make elves that mana base.
I c h o r i d - my anti blue
Manaless Ichorid- At least its cheeper than standard.
We admit for the sake of the exercise that following is true:
Landstill > Fromat
Non-Basic Hate > Landstill
Basics > Non-Basic Hate
We can therefore logically conlude that
Basics > Format
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