I was under the impression that judges can't deck check you unless asked to do so by your opponents.
Also, the issue of "marked cards" (artistic modifications, foiling, etc) can and should be checked with the head judge before the event. They generally don't slam you for foils unless your foils are really bent, or if there's a pattern to the foiling in your deck - for example, all your counterspells are foiled but nothing else is, etc. Most judges I've interacted with don't care as long as it's not suspicious and as long as your opponent can tell what the card is without having to look it up.
If you get a loss because of marked cards, 99% of the time it's your own damn fault.
Also, there's generally no reason you'd *need* outside notes, unless you have no idea how to play your deck or you've acquired everyone else's decklist beforehand. In either case, the fault lies with you.
I don't really understand. How can a dot, the letters 'SB' or the artist's signature on your sideboard help people in any kind of way? I assume, at this level of playing, people know their decks and sideboards by heart...so what's the possible abuse here?
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably delicious.
Team ADHD-To resist is to piss in the wind. Anyone who does will end up smelling.
Is there much advantage gained by knowing what cards are in your sideboard? Probably not.
However, it quickly becomes impossible to tell what notes provide "strategic advice" and which do not, so all outside notes are disallowed.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
We can deckcheck every round and in between every round. Normally it's random (generated by the program) but if there's something that caught our attention we can choose to do a specific table. A bad haircut like sasa_batora's can cause this.
For foils it's pretty simple: we "slam" the deck down and try to cut on the foils/marked cards. Or we look at the backs and single out ones that stand out, then flip them all over.
Some judges are REALLy good at this. (thinking of Richard from the Netherlands)
Not true for as far as I've seen. everyone makes mistakes, but lv1's/0's are usually reminded of proper deckchecking habits quite often (I sure am) and quickly pick up on a decent system to do so. The most "zealous" judges would be some of the higher lv judges, who are far more suspicious of cheating and (unlike the lv1's) don't give the benefit of doubt.
All cases of cheating are thoroughly investigated with written statements from both parties and aren't handed out lightly. All DQ's (which cheating automaticly is unless in some very strict situations) are taken seriously by wizards and are usually checked afterwards with the judge (or that's what I have been made to believe, didn't have to give one out yet).
Ironbreakers Legacy Team
Level 1 DCI Judge
Mtg is the pinnacle of consistency.Originally Posted by Magic FAQ, November 1993
This way, you have empty sleeves to show that there are cards missing in your board...i dont see how that's different from not having the sideboard in sleeves at all.
After the match, you can put the cards where they belong again.
I always just count the cards in my sideboard and check for cards that don't belong there. Always worked just fine.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably delicious.
Team ADHD-To resist is to piss in the wind. Anyone who does will end up smelling.
It's been said before, but it's worth repeatinging that you can consult whatever decklists, notes, treaties, encyclopaedias, or Mentat advisors you want between matches, such as when de-sideboarding.
YOU'RE GIVING ME A TIME MACHINE IN ORDER TO TREAT MY SLEEP DISORDER.
I play my SB without sleeves as of late because I can then buy 3 packs of KMCs/jap. Ultra Pros and sleeve exactly 5 decks with it (5x 60 = 300 Sleeves).
Wastes less sleeves. Just check your SB after every game (count your sideboardcards, restore your maindeck after a match has finished wtc.). And if the opponent plays Burning Wish or something, ask him to count his SB cards from time to time.
I guess it's also legal to carry around a copy of your decklist. A guy once had a list with boarding-plans with him and it was legal.
Team SPOD
<Der_imaginäre_Freund> props:
Adan for being the NQG God (drawer)
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
I guess it won't matter if SB cards are signed or in a different language, but foils are different from that.
The reason why foil cards are treated differently is that their texture is different from regular, i.e. normal Magic cards. They have a plastic film which make the cards stiffer, but at the same time, the plastic film reacts to temperature which is the reason why foil cards are never straight or flat, but bent. You can take a foil Basicland or any foil crapcard and try to iron it with a flat iron to make it flat. The card will be flat for the first time of it's life, but after some minutes, after it has cooled down, the film shrinks and you will have a card that is bent even more than before.
That's the reason why I don't like foils, because judges can force you to substitute them with proxies.
edit: @cdr: I wasn't aware of that. Learned something again, thanks.
Team SPOD
<Der_imaginäre_Freund> props:
Adan for being the NQG God (drawer)
Ironbreakers Legacy Team
Level 1 DCI Judge
Mtg is the pinnacle of consistency.Originally Posted by Magic FAQ, November 1993
I think it's still fucked up, as all printed wb/bb versions of cards of any language, foils or not, are tournament legal according to Wizards. It can just be a matter of card availability or whatever the reason is for you having foils and non-foils in you deck and sideboard, but I find it suspicious if judges can start ruling stuff like that.
Of course, some people just are cheating assholes. But still. Stop cashing with those fucking foils if they are so abusable.
This probably isn't really much of an issue in practice, but it's still dumb.
This scares me. I play all my basic lands as foils because everyone knows they look cooler, but I don't spend the extra 20$+ for any other card to be foil in my deck. Would this be considered cheating?
I have no intent to cheat whatsoever, but if someone plops my deck down and looks at the foil cards, obviously they are gonna see that only the basic lands are foils.
I have to think that more people than just me are doing this these days.
It is your responsibility as a player to ensure that your deck does not contain marked cards. Foils can become marked easier than normal cards, especially older foils. If your foils are not marked, you're fine. If they are, why are you playing with them?
If your intent is to cheat by having marked foils, you are indeed headed for a Cheating - Manipulation of Game Materials disqualification.
If your foils are marked but it is determined you did not cheat or intend to cheat, the infraction is Marked Cards - Pattern which carries at game loss at Competitive level enforcement.
While having all foil lands and no other foils is a cause for suspicion, you are never going to be penalized just because of that.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
What if I'm prepared for the tournament, and memorize the cards in my sideboard? Is that considered outside notes?
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