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    Re: What should I be playing? Metagame included.

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    Re: What should I be playing? Metagame included.

    LoL at the "this" responses .

    Thanks for the responses, guys. I'll check the Ichorid and AggroLoam deck threads to find a good build. I appreciate it.

    EDIT: By the way, Ichorid would be the cheapest of the suggested decks to build, correct?
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    What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    Hi everyone !
    I joined a shop near mine where the MU is mainly composed by black-based decks (read: mono black "hard way", eva green, the Rock, WB Pox), a few thresholds, 1 landstill and other non-strong decks ( at least, this is what I saw so far).
    I brought a Merfolk deck (don't laugh), and top8ed; in spite of this, I felt somehow "impotent " against all those black discarders /removals, paired with undercosted beaters (tarmogoyf and others) and card draw ( confidant).
    So, the question I wanna ask you is obvious, but I can't really get it out: which deck should have favorable MUs against those typologies of decks (the black ones, i mean), and still have decent possibilities to fight with the thresh-ish others ? I can't come to a conclusion.. I 'd like to carry on the "blue-denial " plan, but I can do very few when my hand gets torn on turn 2 and they begin to beat me with angry, fat creatures..
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks !

    EDIT: and , Yes, there also 2-3 counterbalance.dec. , including the threshes.

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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    Ichorid seems like a very strong choice for that metagame.
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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

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    Ichorid seems like a very strong choice for that metagame.
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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    In addition to Ichorid, 43Lands.dec should also be very strong.
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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

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    Ichorid seems like a very strong choice for that metagame.
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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    Aggro Loam. Seriously, isn't that always the answer to Metagame questions?

    With 3 Devestating Dreams, 4 Wishes, Chalice for 1, and if you really want, Solitary Confinements, you should beat Suicide and crush the blue decks. Although it won't be as onesided against Suicide as Ichorid, it should still beat them, be more fun to play, and be more resilient to sideboard hate.



    Actually Ichorid and AggroLoam seem to be the deck to play in, well, any metagame.

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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    Goyf Sligh would be really strong in a meta like that.
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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

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    Goyf Sligh would be really strong in a meta like that.
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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    Burn should be able to outrace Sui-Black.

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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

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    Burn should be able to outrace Sui-Black.
    Or Bolt Negator if they play it. It's kinda like a Time Walk(or two) depending on when it was dropped.

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    Re: What to play against Suicide-d Meta ?

    Quote Originally Posted by chokin View Post
    Or Bolt Negator if they play it. It's kinda like a Time Walk(or two) depending on when it was dropped.
    Back in the day, when I was a scrub still, I used to play burn... and the first deck I ever played against was a sui-black deck, who went first turn negator, second turn sinkhole into my lightning bolt which swept his negator and two lands... Priceless... I will never forget that, ever!


    Also, My meta has been pretty straight forward, I think that agro-loam would molest my meta, but right now I need too many cards for it (wishes and crushers), so I am just playing storm combo...

    The meta is primarily blue based control decks, black based agro-control decks, and red/green/white based agro decks...

    My meta shifts so drastically that it is almost sickening... although I can always rely on rattling 1-2 wins off of scrubs/kevin trombely
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    [Discuss] The Metagame Question

    Hey guys

    I live somewhere in the world where Legacy is unplayed, where it's considered as the most useless and un-interesting format of MtG, where people barely know what eternal is....

    France.

    We don't have such things as "metagames". I'll take this for an example:

    Quote Originally Posted by Last random midly-big tournament
    3 Stax (2 U-Stax + 1 Ur Stax)
    2 Boros
    2 Burn
    2 Counter Slivo
    2 Elves
    2 Goblins (1 Rw Goblins + 1 Rb Goblins)
    2 Madness
    2 Mono Black (1 MBC + 1 MBA)
    2 Rock
    2 Thresh (1 Ugw Thresh + 1 Ugb Thresh)
    2 Wenny White
    1 Belcher
    1 Big Blue
    1 Dragon Stompy
    1 DreadStill
    1 Enchanteresse
    1 Faeries
    1 FashLess Hulk
    1 Landstill
    1 MRA
    1 Painter
    1 Pikula
    1 Poxless
    1 Réanimator
    1 Rogue
    1 Stuffy Doll
    1 Survival
    1 Taiga
    1 Togless
    1 UW Control
    1 Zoo
    Knowing that f I went there, there would be another archetype on the list (Faerie Stompy btw). Yeah it's awful. Yeah some archetypes seem to be useless and awful (Stuffy Doll mainly). It looks like top 8 is predefined. But now take a look at it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Top 8
    VILLANI Etienne (Zoo)
    DE SAUZA Guillaume (Burn)
    CLAPERON Romain (U-Stax)
    COLOMB Damien (DreadStill)
    GILLES Maxime (Flashless Hulk)
    PEIRANI Jean Michel (Togless)
    SCHMITT Romain (Goblin)
    GARROS Roland (Poxless)
    THEVENET Quentin (U-Stax)
    ...

    I won't say anything about it and just ask:

    What in the WHOLE DAMN WORLD would you play in this kind of metagame?

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    Re: [Discuss] The Metagame Question

    Ichorid if people don't metagame against it; ThreshThreshThreshThreshThreshThreshThreshThresh for the general consistency or possibly GoyfSligh since there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of combo or Bigbeater.dec.

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    Re: [Discuss] The Metagame Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinitium View Post
    Ichorid if people don't metagame against it.
    I'd run Ichorid if ppl aren't prepared for it. Big job until they are blue in the face. Generally, in wide open metas, I'd prefer to run aggressive decks. Goyf Sligh may be a good choice, but I'd be wary of the Stax decks.
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    Re: [Discuss] The Metagame Question

    For now, my best results in this year in a french Legacy tourney this last months had been :

    2nd/20 with Ichorid
    (facing Ugb Threshold, random Zoo, Belcher and other random decks)
    1st/18 with Eva Green
    (opposition was Pikula, Death&Taxes, Belcher, Goblins among other random decks)
    36/209 with Eva Green
    (going 5-2-1 vs Rb Goblin twice, Rock, Affinity, and other random decks)
    1st/16 with ANT
    (running into Zoo, Goblin, Ugr Thresh and other random deck)
    10/106 with Ugr Dreadstill
    (5-2 playing against UW Landstill, FEB, Ugr Thresh, Solidarity, Life, Death&Taxes and Boros//Zoo)

    I've never found a french tournament with a defined 'French' Metagame. Still, in big events you always found a good part of Threshold, Goblins and LandStill variants.

    Combo is underPlayed, and if played, you usually face Belcher...

    In your case (Reims or MagicCorp meta ?!), with that many Stax, (Dread//Land)-Still, Ug(w//b)Thresh or black.decks I think combo might not been the way to go.

    As said above, Ichorid is a good call for an unprepared meta, still graveyard hate is rampant in any competitive build.

    I'ld say : go with It's the Fear//TogLess if you're accustomed to control decks.
    That or either GoyfSligh or DreadStill. In a random meta they are good to do what they're supposed to do : Run smoothly and win (if you're a good pilot, that I'm not).

    [EDIT]
    Speaking of French Metagame :
    You'll find below the decks which have the best results and appearance//win ratio in 16+ players French Legacy tournaments, but only piloted by frenchies (it's a unOfficial french league sort-of).

    The bigger the event was, the more points the deck scored for its performance. So some decks only shows once but perform well in a big event (see 4c Fish), so their ranking is a bit flawed :

    Code:
    Rank // Deck Name // Points // Appearance(Performances)
    1  Threshold Ugr 71 Pts (10 Perf.)
    2  CounterSlivers 59 Pts (4 Perf.)
    3  Tarmo Sligh 54 Pts (4 Perf.)
    4  Fish 4c 42 Pts (1 Perf.)
    5  Aggro Loam 40 Pts (9 Perf.)
    6  Togless 37 Pts (6 Perf.)
    7  Goblins 35 Pts (6 Perf.)
    8  Burn 32 Pts (5 Perf.)
    9  Dreaded Fish 32 Pts (4 Perf.)
    10  Eternal Life 31 Pts (3 Perf.)
    11  Dreadstill 27 Pts (6 Perf.)
    12  Threshold Ugw 25 Pts (2 Perf.)
    13  Faerie Stompy 18 Pts (2 Perf.)
    14  Zoo 17 Pts (1 Perf.)
    15  Rock GBw 17 Pts (6 Perf.)
    16  Multicombo Cannon Vault 17 Pts (1 Perf.)
    17  Blue Stax 15 Pts (3 Perf.)
    18  Eternal Garden 14 Pts (3 Perf.)
    19  Pox 13 Pts (3 Perf.)
    20  MBC 13 Pts (2 Perf.)
    21  Predator Stompy 12 Pts (2 Perf.)
    22  Ichorid 11 Pts (3 Perf.)
    23  Dragon Stompy 8 Pts (1 Perf.)
    24  Boros 8 Pts (1 Perf.)
    25  Belcher 8 Pts (3 Perf.)
    26  Ad nauseam 8 Pts (1 Perf.)
    27  MBA 7 Pts (1 Perf.)
    28  Affinity 7 Pts (3 Perf.)
    29  Landstill Uwx 6 Pts (2 Perf.)
    30  Faeries 5 Pts (2 Perf.)
    31  Landstill UW 4 Pts (1 Perf.)
    32  Flashless Hulk 4 Pts (1 Perf.)
    33  U/W Control 3 Pts (3 Perf.)
    34  Trinket Painter 3 Pts (2 Perf.)
    35  Enchanteresse 3 Pts (1 Perf.)
    36  Big Blue 3 Pts (2 Perf.)
    37  Baseruption 3 Pts (2 Perf.)
    38  Aluren 3 Pts (1 Perf.)
    39  Zoo Sligh 2 Pts (1 Perf.)
    40  Terraguedon 2 Pts (1 Perf.)
    41  Elves 2 Pts (2 Perf.)
    42  Dragon Storm 2 Pts (1 Perf.)
    43  Fish Ubw 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    44  White Stax 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    45  Taiga 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    46  Rogue 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    47  Rock GB 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    48  Pikula 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    Source
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    Re: [Discuss] The Metagame Question

    In big tournaments, there's rarely a defined metagame compared to a local shop.

    There could be a majority of players playing a certain deck, but in large tournaments, there's no guarantee at all that you'll face those decks. In a local shop, the top few players will always show up at the top table. Also, in local tournaments, there's a game every week, so decks don't change as much. Even from month to month the decks will change a lot more often.

    In these situations, you're probably best playing a deck that has solid matchups against everything. I would play blue based aggro like FS because FS has solid MUs against most everything and destroys scrub aggro.

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    46 Rogue 1 Pts (1 Perf.)
    ... the French aren't much for rogue decking, apparently.

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    Re: [Discuss] The Metagame Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Spardantevil View Post
    I live somewhere in the world where Legacy is unplayed, where it's considered as the most useless and un-interesting format of MtG, where people barely know what eternal is....

    France.
    Checking Deckcheck.net I found this:
    10/19 Paris: 119 players.
    10/08 Bourgoin Jallieu: 44 players
    Legacy Championship France: 19. Sep 2008: 202 players(!)
    ...

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