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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

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    2 Perish
    Wait ... what?

    Anyone ever tested a list with 2 GSZ instead of the occasional random one?

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by oRen View Post
    Wait ... what?

    Anyone ever tested a list with 2 GSZ instead of the occasional random one?
    It gives you higher threat density against the mirror and control, but makes you worse against combo.
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    This deck should never have a problem with burn. Just start countering their spells when you get around ten life. If they start burning your creatures, youve already won.
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Raggedjoe View Post
    Here's my current list.

    4 Wasteland
    3 Tropical Island
    3 Volcanic Island
    2 Misty Rainforest
    2 Scalding Tarn
    2 Polluted Delta
    1 Flooded Stand
    1 Island

    2 Perish
    Perish? Where's the Underground Sea? If you are going to splash black, would Massacre be better? Possibly Dread of Night instead of Sulfur Elemental? But I think going 4 colors puts way too much strain on the mana base.

    I've personally been liking Rough//Tumble in the SB as a sweeper.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scordata View Post
    This deck should never have a problem with burn. Just start countering their spells when you get around ten life. If they start burning your creatures, youve already won.
    Mono-Red is no problem for the deck assuming you're running enough Spell Pierces (with Stifle it's quite a bit harder/closer, though still winnable). The problem is against UR Delver, which is running a similar counterspell configuration and is actually probably favored. UR can afford to burn your Delvers, and if they get a quick start it's rather difficult to race them especially since they can force a Price of Progress through your counter-wall.

    As for beating UR, you definitely want to try to land an early Tarmogoyf and keep a hand that can handle a t1 Delver/Goblin Guide. In the SB, Hydroblast/Blue Elemental Blasts wouldn't be a bad idea if you're expecting to see a fair share of red decks. Try to play around Price of Progress as much as possible by not dropping too many duals or at least keep Daze and/or Wasteland ready. Remember that you can "fail to find" a dual land when you crack a fetch if you really need to shuffle.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Favored? Goyf > everything in their deck.

    Save snare for POP. Stifle/waste helps keep daze relevant.. Stifle hits rift bolt, if they are running that. Just play the control game here - burn/counter their dudes, make them HAVE to burn your creatures, then send goyf in to clean up.
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scordata View Post
    Favored? Goyf > everything in their deck.

    Save snare for POP. Stifle/waste helps keep daze relevant.. Stifle hits rift bolt, if they are running that. Just play the control game here - burn/counter their dudes, make them HAVE to burn your creatures, then send goyf in to clean up.
    Goyf is only relevant if you get it early enough to defend/clock them. Playing him on turn 7 or whatever when you're already in single digits is usually too little, too late. You're not always going to curve out perfectly, and sometimes they might just have the counterspell for it. They also tend to play Submerge in the SB. Have you tested this matchup against a competent opponent with a decent list? It's no walk in the park. I'm not saying it's hugely favored for them, but it's definitely one of the harder matchups in my opinion.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by wcm8 View Post
    I've personally been liking Rough//Tumble in the SB as a sweeper.
    This is what I would be playing. If I had to play 4c, I'd probably go all in and change up some more things, including adding City of Brass to the deck. But that's a whole other animal.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Sun View Post
    Maverick mirrors locally have gotten too inbred, I'm back on RUG.
    That being said, I took a list similar to Sherwin Pu's list and snuck into Top 8 at MTG Deal's cash tourney yesterday. Man it's fun running stifle-daggers on people's fetchlands >:D.

    4 Nimble Mongoose
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    1 Chain Lighnting
    2 Forked Bolt
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    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 Stifle

    4 Wooded Foothills
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    2 Polluted Delta
    4 tropical Island
    3 Volcanic Island
    4 Wasteland

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    4 Submerge
    1 Gilded Drake
    1 Ancient Grudge
    2 Spell Pierce
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    2 Surgical Extraction

    Round 1 - Elves (2-1)
    Round 2 - TES (0-2) ... FOW where art thou?
    Round 3 - Canadian Threshold (2-1)
    Round 4 - Maverick (2-1) *good G-d Submerge is OP*
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by wcm8 View Post
    Mono-Red is no problem for the deck assuming you're running enough Spell Pierces (with Stifle it's quite a bit harder/closer, though still winnable). The problem is against UR Delver, which is running a similar counterspell configuration and is actually probably favored. UR can afford to burn your Delvers, and if they get a quick start it's rather difficult to race them especially since they can force a Price of Progress through your counter-wall.

    As for beating UR, you definitely want to try to land an early Tarmogoyf and keep a hand that can handle a t1 Delver/Goblin Guide. In the SB, Hydroblast/Blue Elemental Blasts wouldn't be a bad idea if you're expecting to see a fair share of red decks. Try to play around Price of Progress as much as possible by not dropping too many duals or at least keep Daze and/or Wasteland ready. Remember that you can "fail to find" a dual land when you crack a fetch if you really need to shuffle.
    What's your sideboarding plan vs UR delver? The deck goes off to fast when we don't answer their early delvers and goblin guide, but even after answering that, they can still land a grim lavamancer that will eat our delvers or turn into uncounterable burn in the late game. Seems like the best plan against them is to mull for a hand with Tarmogoyf and a few burn, but then again they also have main deck spell pierces if we attempt to burn their creatures early.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Holy crap, Koby has joined the dark side. Grats on the finish. I may be taking RUG to the Invitational in Indy if I end up going, but who knows? Avacyn Restored is gonna throw things for a loop.
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Welcome to the club, Koby ^^

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    Gosh, I dunno what I was thinking guys. Those Perishes are really Submerges.

    Vs UR Delver and Burn, I generally don't side board anything. We have really good matchups (especially with me playing 3 Pierces md),though I have considered bringing in Extraction over Forked Bolt.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziveeman View Post
    Holy crap, Koby has joined the dark side. Grats on the finish. I may be taking RUG to the Invitational in Indy if I end up going, but who knows? Avacyn Restored is gonna throw things for a loop.
    I don't think much will change with avacyn restored personally but who knows.

    the miracle decks are pretty slow and play some bad cards when they are not miracled.

    The only one that is kind of scary is that wheel of fortune variant, but thankfully you can't float mana through the draw step and not all red rituals are instants.

    oh I guess goblins becomes a thing again though, maybe?, with cavern of souls?

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

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    Welcome to the club, Koby ^^

    Now tell me... did you ever blind flip a Delver? Did it feel good?
    It felt uber dirty, like I was playing a goddamn Standard deck. Nah, most of the time it whiffed on blind flips. I usually won with a thresh'd Goose after durdling around for a few turns. Also, Submerge is ridiculous.
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    Hey so thresh did really well in this event with a few changes:
    http://manainfinito.com/articulos/le...lcl-2012-abril

    1 green sun zenith with both cutting down on goyf.
    1 sylvan which some people have been playing here as well.
    and a few changes in the number of forked bolt and chain lightning.

    do you guys thing this is correct (the cutting of the goyf)
    since he is "king" of the mirror. also with the addition of gsz i think having 1 ooze in the 75 has to be correct.
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Short video of the finals from MTGDeals' Cash tournament on 4/22/12. RUG mirror finals.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

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    Short video of the finals from MTGDeals' Cash tournament on 4/22/12. RUG mirror finals.

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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    How many people here have cut down to three forces MD? I have and so far I've really been liking it. Forcing more than twice over a game always seemed to hurt more than it really helped. I just keep the fourth one in my SB for the obvious matchups.
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    Re: [DTB] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

    Quote Originally Posted by JeroenC View Post
    How many people here have cut down to three forces MD? I have and so far I've really been liking it. Forcing more than twice over a game always seemed to hurt more than it really helped. I just keep the fourth one in my SB for the obvious matchups.
    +1

    My current counter suite consists of

    4 Daze
    4 Stifle
    3 Force of Will
    3 Spell Snare
    2 Spell Pierce

    and I am liking it so far.

    MD Pierce saves board space and are very nice to have in quite some Matchups. Maverick might be an exception since there aren't a lot of targets, but G1 we are an underdog here anyway if we don't draw into a very strong tempo package.

    I am keeping the 4th Force in the board, though, in case I run into very fast combo.
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