I started the game pre-Invasion block. I remember when Spiritmonger came out, it was an absolute bomb. The p/t was actually bigger than the mana cost, it had no drawbacks, and it actually had good abilities! Next thing I knew this little thing called threshold had shown up. Werebear and Nimble Mongoose were basically the best creatures possible. A 4/4 for 2 that can also make mana, and a 3/3 for 1 that's basically unkillable outside of combat? Is it really possible to make better creatures? I thought no for a long time. Enter Tarmogoyf.
Tarmogoyf has completely outclassed Werebear. Some people don't even use Nimble Mongoose either. However, due to power creep and other issues, I'm sure that Tarmogoyf won't be the best (green) creature for the rest of eternity. What stats would a future creature have to have to be able to replace Tarmogoyf?
Tarmagoyf With Trample!!! Rawr!!!
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Originally Posted by Ewokslayer
I think tribal creatures are starting to get pretty ridiculous, and being able to run 12 lords in a deck like Merfolk or Elves means your guys can quickly outclass or simply race Tarmogoyf. It seems Wizards is focusing a lot more on Tribal synergies to match the "power creep" of creatures.
Then again, I remember when Erg Raiders was played in Sui. Times just change.
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Given they do not make another design mistake, no single creature should outclass Tarmogoyf in terms of efficiency. It's like StP, it will stay for the years to come.
Other than that, I fail to see any other creature (barring tribal or fatties that are cheated in play) that will simply make the Goyf outdated.
She said, "You're broken."
"So is your face." replied the Tarmogoyf.
Plus, Goyf will only get bigger as more powerful and efficient Planeswalkers are printed.
Or new card types altogether...
What will dethrone Tarmogoyf?
Slivergoyf! Rawwwwwerrrrrrrr
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What will dethrone the Goyf?
Roseanne's ass.
It's just bigger. And colorless.
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Slivergoyf
1G
Creature- Sliver Lhurgoyf
Slivers you control get +X/+X, where X is the number of card types amongst all graveyards.
(This card is blue)
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You forgot that the slivergoyf is a 0/1.
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A ban.
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Quoted for truth. Tarmogoyf with continue to be the creature until it gets banned or something better gets printed.
Nooooo... Really?
I bought a playset of those during Invasion/Odyssey block standard. Ran them in a phyrexian tyranny / Teferi's Puzzle Box deck. Don't diss them! I may have once won a game off of them!Answer to question:
So basically.. what you're saying is that the currently best creature will remain the best creature untill he gets banned or something better gets printed
Given the assumptions you've raised, I would agree with you. However, expecting R&D to not make another design mistake is a flawed assumption. Also, there is the potential for deliberate power creep in creatures that others have alluded to. Tarmogoyf will eventually be outclassed.
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That's what she said.
Swords to Plowshares hasn't been outclassed. Brainstorm hasn't been outclassed. I seriously doubt Tarmogoyf ever will be.
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