All B/R update speculation.

[Gheizen64]

Dig is amazing in control but really, both of those new cards are still nowhere as played as Brainstorm or even Ponder. Calm your tits.

[HSCK]

Have you played with it? There is a reason twin have raised a mile above pod and scapeshift have move into a tier1 deck. 2 Mana 2 card demonic tutors for the decks.

I have, but isn't this a Legacy discussion?

[Rizso]

I have, but isn't this a Legacy discussion?

We did talk about it in a modern ot, for legacy I dont think it will be. Cruise might not be axed even.

[FoolofaTook]

I honestly don't think people have worked out how good it is.

It's an instant that gives card advantage and deep dig. How can that not be broken when the realistic cost of casting it for the first time is delve 5 with 1 mana left open for Daze or going delve 6 if you're worried about Spell Pierce?

It's wrecked in a control list that can reliably get the opponent to 1 or 2 cards in hand and then start baiting with tapouts as early as turn 4 or 5. If you get forced or dazed or whatever it doesn't matter because then they're hellbent and you're control and we all know how that story ends 95% of the time. I'm just surprised it hasn't turned into a 2 or 3 of in Miracles at this point. Yes, it doesn't have full synergy but it is ridiculously powerful in that type of list anyway.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I'm just surprised it hasn't turned into a 2 or 3 of in Miracles at this point.

Nobody wants to play 63-cards deck.

[mlschuma]

I would argue that brainstorm is better than mystical tutor, mind twist, black vise and earthcraft. I find that comical.

Mind Twist, Black Vise, and Earthcraft I'll give you, but no one thinks those really need to be on the banned list anyways.

Mystical Tutor on the other hand? Crazy Talk.

[Lemnear]

It's an instant that gives card advantage and deep dig. How can that not be broken when the realistic cost of casting it for the first time is delve 5 with 1 mana left open for Daze or going delve 6 if you're worried about Spell Pierce?

It's wrecked in a control list that can reliably get the opponent to 1 or 2 cards in hand and then start baiting with tapouts as early as turn 4 or 5. If you get forced or dazed or whatever it doesn't matter because then they're hellbent and you're control and we all know how that story ends 95% of the time. I'm just surprised it hasn't turned into a 2 or 3 of in Miracles at this point. Yes, it doesn't have full synergy but it is ridiculously powerful in that type of list anyway.

1) because it's another card beside Jace, Terminus and Entreat you don't want to see in your opener
2) it's cmc is jackshit for Counterbalance
3) The cardadvantage isn't much relevant with CounterTop & Terminus already creating cardadvantage
4) the card selection is pointless with Brainstorm/Ponder/SDT/Fetchlands/Jace already part of the deck.
5) Aside the cantrips, Fetches and Plowshares, the deck mainly runs permanents that don't feed DTT

[testing32]

Mystical Tutor on the other hand? Crazy Talk.

Before mystical tutor was banned it had no where near the penetration that brainstorm does now. It wouldn't see play in delver.

Edit: How many current decks would trade in their brainstorms for mystical tutors? Mystical would be pretty sick with miracles but I'm not even convinced that deck would get better if BS got the axe. You would be left with Jace as your only option to put miracle cards back on top of your deck. I don't think Show and Tell gets better and I'm not even sure that a storm player would want to make that trade.

So, Mystical fits into fewer decks and the decks it does fit into it probably isn't as good as brainstorm.

[FieryBalrog]

#skillintensive #pillaroftheformat #formatstaple #reducesvariance #goplaymodern #everyonewouldquit #somethingnonsensicalaboutvintage

Sticky this imo

[Lemnear]

Before mystical tutor was banned it had no where near the penetration that brainstorm does now. It wouldn't see play in delver.

Edit: How many current decks would trade in their brainstorms for mystical tutors? Mystical would be pretty sick with miracles but I'm not even convinced that deck would get better if BS got the axe. You would be left with Jace as your only option to put miracle cards back on top of your deck. I don't think Show and Tell gets better and I'm not even sure that a storm player would want to make that trade.

So, Mystical fits into fewer decks and the decks it does fit into it probably isn't as good as brainstorm.

Delver? What about jamming 4 Mystical + 1 Treasure Cruise + 1 Temporal Mastery into the deck? TimeWalk and Ancestral Recall on demand without bricking your hand and both flip Delver if placed with mystical tutor on top of your Library.

OmniTell would no longer need to run clunky stuff like Dream Halls because ... hey ... virtual 8 S&Ts!

Storm had with 4 Infernals and 4 Mysticals basically 9 Ad Nauseams and 9 Past in Flames in the deck instead of 5. Land, LED, LED, Gitaxian Probe, respond to Probe with Mystical, respond to Mystical by breaking the Diamonds, YOLO

[Quizzlemanizzle]

Mystical Tutor is way too good with all the miracles cards -> Entreat, Terminus, Temporal Mastery, Bonfire ..

[Fatal]

2) it's cmc is jackshit for Counterbalance

already unlocked achivement - counter opponent TC / with Dig on top :)

[rufus]

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Edit: How many current decks would trade in their brainstorms for mystical tutors? Mystical would be pretty sick with miracles but I'm not even convinced that deck would get better if BS got the axe.

I would expect that at some critical density, top deck tutors + Temporal Mastery/Reforge the Soul becomes degenerate.

[Finn]

I may have missed something here, but there is Personal Tutor for those, though I don't pretend it is the same thing.

[Barook]

I really wonder where we're heading with basically 4x Ancestral Recall legal in the format. The number of UR Delver decks are constantly rising on MTGO, and so does the number of Brainstorm decks (currently 74.26%).

We are certainly approaching slowly but surely a level where something has to be banned.

[Finn]

I really wonder where we're heading with basically 4x Ancestral Recall legal in the format. The number of UR Delver decks are constantly rising on MTGO, and so does the number of Brainstorm decks (currently 74.26%).

We are certainly approaching slowly but surely a level where something has to be banned.

On that subject, I am already moaning about the dumbasses who read the runes and say "There are more Brainstorms than Treasure Cruises in the top x of tournmants y and z. Treasure Cruise is not the problem.

[Gheizen64]

I may have missed something here, but there is Personal Tutor for those, though I don't pretend it is the same thing.

No instant is a big deal i guess. I'm not sure it would be too good, but mystical would be surely played, and played quite a bit. It's no Tax.

[Vicar in a tutu]

I really wonder where we're heading with basically 4x Ancestral Recall legal in the format. The number of UR Delver decks are constantly rising on MTGO, and so does the number of Brainstorm decks (currently 74.26%).

We are certainly approaching slowly but surely a level where something has to be banned.

Agreed. I hope they ban Treasure Cruise and keep Brainstorm legal.

[iamajellydonut]

I may have missed something here, but there is Personal Tutor for those, though I don't pretend it is the same thing.

There is also Entomb->Noxious Revival.

Super Viable

[FoolofaTook]

I really wonder where we're heading with basically 4x Ancestral Recall legal in the format. The number of UR Delver decks are constantly rising on MTGO, and so does the number of Brainstorm decks (currently 74.26%).

We are certainly approaching slowly but surely a level where something has to be banned.

Is UR Delver going to be on top for long after the meta has adjusted to the fact that it *is* here to stay?

Is it going to be more dominant than RUG Canadian was for awhile?

Both of those things have to be true for WotC to ban something in the next B&R announcement.

The odds are really good that UR Delver isn't even the best list once you take TC and DTT into account. It's just the most obvious one and so people are flooding towards it. If it's getting people to actually buy Volcanics at inflated prices and enter the Legacy meta in the process the store owners will be happy. That's lots of additional sales of various overpriced staples down the road. That's all WotC cares about.

Maybe TC was designed to do exactly that? Put a little cheap thrill out in front of the next generation and see if you can get them to buy $1,000's worth of staples in the process.