View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Why? It's a miserable uninteractive deck that isn't the least bit interesting game one.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erdvermampfa View Post
    People seem to forget Terminus on the list of format-defining cards. It basically made aggro decks that are light on disruption unplayable.



    The list seems actually quite playable right now. Sacrifice- and Wrath-effects are of highest value right now due to TNN and the prevalence of Tempodecks. Of course you would have to exchange the janky and dated stuff like Loxodon Hierarch with some good stuff like Grave Titan, but I wouldn't necessarily refuse to play such a deck currently.
    You'd probably just run planeswalkers. I always sideboarded the Hierarchs. Matt Abold's list here is closer to what I ran at the time.

    Man I remember bugging the shit out of him on the phone during that top 8 too, holy shit that was obnoxious.

    Although I remember from my foray last year into BUGStill thinking that the Obstinate Baloths out of the board were amazing in probably 50% of my matchups and arguably maindeckable. Fantastic against all the RUG and BUG decks. Nuts to your Liliana.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    Why? It's a miserable uninteractive deck that isn't the least bit interesting game one.
    Because it's different.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Another week, another 28/32 Brainstorms in the top 8. Also 4 weeks in a row of a delver deck winning
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Another week, another 28/32 Brainstorms in the top 8. Also 4 weeks in a row of a delver deck winning
    And Wizards doesn't care in the slightest. I expect no format changes, maybe some Modern changes, just because they love to mess with ban list.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    A top 8 with half delvers, blue is the best beatdown ... yay color pie!

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    A top 8 with half delvers, blue is the best beatdown ... yay color pie!
    At least red has the best counter spell!

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    At least red has the best counter spell!
    ..which is used best in blue decks!
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    TNN is so uninteractive that you can't even target him with your feelings.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    Why? It's a miserable uninteractive deck that isn't the least bit interesting game one.
    That's entirely subjective - and depends on who's playing it.

    Fuck the stack.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Another week, another 28/32 Brainstorms in the top 8. Also 4 weeks in a row of a delver deck winning
    Another week, lands in 8/8 of the top 8. What ever happened to Manaless Dredge, Recross the Paths Belcher and Oops all Spells? The format is whack.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Another week, lands in 8/8 of the top 8. What ever happened to Manaless Dredge, Recross the Paths Belcher and Oops all Spells? The format is whack.
    Bad comparison is bad.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    At least red has the best counter spell!

    Seriously, more people need to play Imperial Painter. Blood Moon wrecks a lot of decks and REB/Pyroblast counter about 40% of spells that see play, by volume. Also kills Delvers.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Another week, lands in 8/8 of the top 8. What ever happened to Manaless Dredge, Recross the Paths Belcher and Oops all Spells? The format is whack.
    Another week with 8/8 decks of the top 8 that are playing a 15 cards sideboard. We need more people playing with a 0 card sideboard. Please ban sideboards.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    While I understand the meta-humor going on here, I also don't like the dismissal of requests for bans. While the meta should be given time to adapt, I've had time to quit for a year or two, come back, and find Delver is still oppressive.
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    The Reserved List is a) not legally binding, b) antiquated, c) broken, and d) preventative of maximum game enjoyment. Wizards will remove as many cards from that list as possible to increase the fun of their game. Using market research, they can find a balance between printing enough cards to lower a price from $40 to $15-$20, and not utterly ruining their value. This will be both an economically feasible AND sensible move.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Another week, lands in 8/8 of the top 8. What ever happened to Manaless Dredge, Recross the Paths Belcher and Oops all Spells? The format is whack.
    So 30 different land cards in a top 8, as opposed to Brainstorm (one card) making up 77% of the decks?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    Why? It's a miserable uninteractive deck that isn't the least bit interesting game one.
    Depends on people.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Seriously, more people need to play Imperial Painter. Blood Moon wrecks a lot of decks and REB/Pyroblast counter about 40% of spells that see play, by volume. Also kills Delvers.
    I think it's price tag and that it doesn't fit in many other decks scares people off on Imperial Painter. I use it on MTGO with great results.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I feel a some legacy cards can be unbanned, yet the stay on the list.

    I wonder if you can prove to us, a la Caleb ( by providing a 60 card deck list), that the below are worth to stay banned in Legacy:
    black vise
    Mind twist
    Mind's desire
    Yawgmoth's bargain

    Let's avoid generic statements and focus on the deck lists.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush80 View Post
    I feel a some legacy cards can be unbanned, yet the stay on the list.

    I wonder if you can prove to us, a la Caleb ( by providing a 60 card deck list), that the below are worth to stay banned in Legacy:
    black vise
    Mind twist
    Mind's desire
    Yawgmoth's bargain

    Let's avoid generic statements and focus on the deck lists.
    Mind Twist will most likely be completely broken a burning wish deck. That's at least, what I'd build for it.

    Mind's Desire and Yawgmoths Bargain should never come off. The thing about Minds Desire is that, legacy doesn't have a restricted list, which means that you can play 4 of them. That means you can desire into desire, which means you actually get to play your entire deck, as soon as you go off.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush80 View Post
    black vise
    Two scenarios:
    1. The card does nothing
    2. The amount of horrible games increases

    Why bother? The card would never actually contribute positively to the format's health or increase the number of actually fun games.
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