Brainstorm
Force of Will
Lion's Eye Diamond
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Tarmogoyf
Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Goblin Lackey
Standstill
Natural Order
High Tide already is a consistent turn 3/4 deck and it sees no play. Frantic Search doesn't solve any of it's problems. Other decks that use it as a "free" careful study really would just rather use Careful Study or Entomb. It's not 1998 anymore the card is fine
Adds nothing favorable for the format as a whole. Maybe the cloud vine deck would get a new toy, that would be the only positive for me.
-rob
This is not an argument against anything. TNN adds nothing favorable to Legacy, that fucker is legal. Hell to be honest, Smokestack adds almost nothing favorable to Legacy and I'm still aloud to abuse it.
Is it safe, yes or no? That's all that matters. If they are not banning TNN or SnT for how much they suck to play against, the idea it would not be "Favorable" stops being a effective or impactful approach to reading the list.
Really fun format
First 3 tier 1 deck
Miracle
Ur burn
Blade
4 ponder
4 brainstorm
4 fow
2 jace
Bolt or sword
Tnn or terminus
Some draw card.
Gg
Why wouldn't you play Zoo? Instead of a 5/5 for B that's immune to Push, you can get a 4/5 for 1G that's not. And instead of a 3/2 flyer for U, you can get a 3/3 double conditional for G. Oh, and you also get to not include the two best colors in Legacy, or any of the best spells, and you're a dog to combo.
What's not to love?
No. the format is now going to be nothing but Karn.dec vs Karn.dec.
- 'Pathy' on MTGO
- Eastern PA player
So Karn, the Great Creator is really good with Mycosynth Lattice, instant lock just it cost 10 mana to do in one turn. Unless i am missing something and you can accelerate the process.
Ashiok shuts down all the fetchlands and GSZ decks.
To do a turn two Ashiok to effectively slow down your opponnent you need GSZ or BoP, because no DRS.
Some Stifle might be useful also.
But are those locks Legacy power level when you opponent can go Turn 1 Ape and show Emi or reanimate Sire of Sanity.
I am not sure.
So how fast can you get to 10 mana with Post, I assume the usage of Candelabra, so is turn 3 lock viable?
You will need a Challice on 1 to bypass the cantrip cartel. If this will produce a new deck in legacy or reanimate an Old One. I am all for it.
I think it is still better to die turn 4 or 5 to a properly setup combo/Lock than to draw your hand and die turn 0 to Ape and Show or reanimated Sire of Sanity.
Why wouldn't you play Zoo? Instead of a 5/5 for B that's immune to Push, you can get a 4/5 for 1G that's not. And instead of a 3/2 flyer for U, you can get a 3/3 double conditional for G. Oh, and you also get to not include the two best colors in Legacy, or any of the best spells, and you're a dog to combo.
What's not to love?
God no. The reason Eldrazi is so powerful is it both disrupts and forces a clock. That's the trick. A lock with no aggression is just a delaying tactic until you find your win or you die.
It's why Stax is fun but ultimately not a threat to Legacy. Sure I can drop a 5/5 off a Karn to win, but that's normally the plan after I set up a Tanglewire, a 3 ball and a Chalice. What if I get the 3 ball and a Chalice but never find Karn and you get your Angler down? Well... Wish I had replaced that Tanglewire with Smasher now.
When your looking at something like this don't ask, "How good is it" ask "Is there someone locally who will play it despite it being shit?" In my case, yes, yes I will.
Why wouldn't you play Zoo? Instead of a 5/5 for B that's immune to Push, you can get a 4/5 for 1G that's not. And instead of a 3/2 flyer for U, you can get a 3/3 double conditional for G. Oh, and you also get to not include the two best colors in Legacy, or any of the best spells, and you're a dog to combo.
What's not to love?
You don't even need Metalworker. LED just works fine with Karn trigger on the stack to power out Lattice on the follow-up turn. Magical Christmasland is 2x Sol Land, Karn, double LED into T2 Lattice lock.
We'll have to wait and see how the meta shakes out and how the meta adapts, but I wouldn't be surprised if Karn gets banned down the line in a few years. It's power level is unreal. If a card adaption is so fast and widespread in Legacy, that's a good sign that something is wrong.
Not that I'm complaining, between Karn Chalice decks and Narset, cantrip decks are in for a world of hurt.
Turn 1 Ancient Tomb -> Chalice of the Void @ 1Ashiok shuts down all the fetchlands and GSZ decks.
To do a turn two Ashiok to effectively slow down your opponnent you need GSZ or BoP, because no DRS.
Turn 2 Interplanar Beacon, Ashiok
Turn 1 Underground Sea, Chrome Mox imprinting a black or blue card -> Chalice of the Void @ 1
Turn 2 land, Ashiok
Turn 1 Ancient Tomb, Dimir Signet
Turn 2 land, Ashiok
Ashiok works best in a SuperFriends Stompy deck, where you can actually curve it out smoothly with other disruption. Karn could fit in the same deck.
Otherwise Karn seems pretty slow outside of a Stax win condition.
Why wouldn't you play Zoo? Instead of a 5/5 for B that's immune to Push, you can get a 4/5 for 1G that's not. And instead of a 3/2 flyer for U, you can get a 3/3 double conditional for G. Oh, and you also get to not include the two best colors in Legacy, or any of the best spells, and you're a dog to combo.
What's not to love?
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