View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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  1. #21421

    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You don't even need Metalworker. LED just works fine with Karn trigger on the stack to power out Lattice on the follow-up turn. Magical Christmasland is 2x Sol Land, Karn, double LED into T2 Lattice lock.

    We'll have to wait and see how the meta shakes out and how the meta adapts, but I wouldn't be surprised if Karn gets banned down the line in a few years. It's power level is unreal. If a card adaption is so fast and widespread in Legacy, that's a good sign that something is wrong.

    Not that I'm complaining, between Karn Chalice decks and Narset, cantrip decks are in for a world of hurt.
    i will be suprised if a turn 4 lock counterable will be so strong to be banned.
    Why wouldn't you play Zoo? Instead of a 5/5 for B that's immune to Push, you can get a 4/5 for 1G that's not. And instead of a 3/2 flyer for U, you can get a 3/3 double conditional for G. Oh, and you also get to not include the two best colors in Legacy, or any of the best spells, and you're a dog to combo.

    What's not to love?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Karn is good. I dunno if I'm going to say "broken" but It's 100% got a place in legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Not that I'm complaining, between Karn Chalice decks and Narset, cantrip decks are in for a world of hurt.
    Good. I hope Brainstorm and company rot in hell.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    God forbid the format go back to the days where only half of top 8 decks contain the card Brainstorm rather than the current 6/8 or 7/8
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I am afraid if this new Karn deck becomes too powerful they will have to ban it just because "everyone loves playing Brainstorm" and "Brainstorm is the pillar of the format". How can you have a deck better than brainstorm deck.

    Sad but true.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Ugh.

    And I was hoping we could talk about Dark Ritual and Ashiok.
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    If you diversified your cantrips, a chalice wouldn't be a liability.
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    You want interesting, nonbinary games? Don't make your deck so reliant on cantrips, like pretty much every above deck.
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    I am tired of malicious top 8s and it is time to put an end to the practice.
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    Almost everyone plays decks that are strictly worse 75s than the top decks - which most people could sleeve up if they wanted to, they just elected not to.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    would'nt the dark ritual - Ashiok deck be soft to D&T anyway?
    But yes, it seems like a good option :)
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    would'nt the dark ritual - Ashiok deck be soft to D&T anyway?
    But yes, it seems like a good option :)
    I am curious if Ashiok will fit in to a Mill deck in legacy.

    I will definitely see a line like this in a permission deck a la Canadian Threshold style:
    Turn 1: Fetch-> dark rit-> Ashiok -> use ability on yourself
    Turn 2: Land-> Zombie fish -> hold daze/FoW/Stifle or cast ponder.

    Might be a cool deck maybe it will revive some sort of Dark Threshold.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Probably just easier to go Rit -> Last Hope -> you have 4 turns before you lose.

  10. #21430

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Probably just easier to go Rit -> Last Hope -> you have 4 turns before you lose.
    Why not both?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Why not both?
    Never cutting Hypnotic Specter

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    Never cutting Hypnotic Specter
    Cut more swamps?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Next Monday is the update, any bids? All formats seem poised for a huge shake-up given the cards added from War of the Spark, so I figure no changes. I also think Modern Horizons will have a significant impact on both Modern and Legacy.

    I'm quite encouraged by the continuing trend of printing good sets. Dominaria was excellent and only a few sets later we get War of the Spark. There's hope for the long-term health of this game yet.

    My one prediction: London mulligan goes into effect. I'm not sure what the deadline/roll-out will be but it likely won't take long, probably effective by 6/1.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Doubt they ban Ancient Tomb this soon, but the new results have made it abundantly clear why it should be watched. Unfortunately WotC seems incapable of banning CB [unban SDT] and ban Hymn [unban DRS].

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    My one prediction: London mulligan goes into effect. I'm not sure what the deadline/roll-out will be but it likely won't take long, probably effective by 6/1.
    Yeah, that's my thinking as well. WAR cards, plus new Mulligan means no other actions. Not to mention the impending dump of Modern Horizon cards into the relevant formats.
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    Now that one of my decks is finally putting up results I assume bannings are inevitable. Dunno which card will get the axe though, probably the most valuable one so goodbye...Grim monolith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Now that one of my decks is finally putting up results I assume bannings are inevitable. Dunno which card will get the axe though, probably the most valuable one so goodbye...Grim monolith.
    I think that they should just put all the pieces on a dart board, throw darts, and whatever gets hit gets banned. That makes way more sense than banning Mycosynth Lattice, a game ending lock piece that every karn deck plays.
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  18. #21438

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Doubt they ban Ancient Tomb this soon, but the new results have made it abundantly clear why it should be watched. Unfortunately WotC seems incapable of banning CB [unban SDT] and ban Hymn [unban DRS].
    Ancient Tomb will never be banned. Ever. Brainstorm has a better chance going first, and it’s been legal since the format was “1.5.”
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Are Karn decks really doing so well that tomb/monolith need the axe?
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    I've been taking shitty brews and tier 2 decks to tournaments and losing with them for years now. Welcome to the club. We meet for cocktails after round 6.
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    Top quality german restraint there.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Are Karn decks really doing so well that tomb/monolith need the axe?
    Of course it is an over-reaction to something that has been legal for less than a month. The meta has hardly even adopted it, let alone adapted to it. It's just the usual sort of knee-jerk reactions we are accustomed to though.
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