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The justification for banning Probe is no justification at all. Either someone's asleep at the wheel or a social media intern has been making calls far above his paygrade.
Bad times friend ahead.
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Have you ever read any other "justification" for any B&R decision? They are always double-speak-nonsense. This one isn't different or even egregious.
How long until the collective is begging for a Delver ban, again, though? Or who will be our savior and ask for a Thalia ban? We all know how broken grizzly bears are.
Mana denial is back on the menu though kids, prepare accordingly...
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Wow. Has it really been that long?
He was the premier troll on The Source. Funny, but didn't know when to stop. I can't prove it (and honestly don't give a fuck) but I would say if he had a new account here it would be Brainstorm Ape. Got banned a long time ago. I miss that cocky arsehole.
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I'm talking about their argument for banning Probe and what it implies. This isn't even "gentleman's agreement." This is "we don't like it so even though it's objectively fine we're getting rid of it."
That's a new low to me. Sure, I haven't played the format for as long as you have, but when they preface their conclusion with "While Gitaxian Probe's impact on the Legacy environment hasn't necessarily reached a boiling point," we have gone far past the stage where they could make an argument that they're even paying attention.
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Oh my sweet child, I'm so sorry. You expected something of substance and reason out of Wotc and got let down. Treat anything Wotc says as if it had come from your local politician and give it as much weight. Seriously. It will help with the disappointment. Because that's all Wotc really has to offer you, disappointment.
Wotc and Legacy have a lot in common with an abusive relationship, we get straps, ignored, cut off and then expected to be grateful when they give us back the GPs they took away the year before. Trust me mate, I know we don't really get along but trust me in this, never expect anything from them and then they will never let you down.
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Thoughts (in general and in response to some other comments)
1. The Probe ban is great for all the stated reasons (if you think this is 'no justification' then you're either dishonest or an idiot)
2. I don't mind a DRS format or a no DRS format, I think no-DRS might be slightly better because deck selection is a more meaningful decision when you can't play any card in your blue list, and tempo decks not having mana dorks in them makes the die roll less important
3. The biggest danger of the DRS ban is that DRS was holding back degenerate graveyard decks. I think that even with DRS these decks were mostly a FoW/SB check anyway, so I don't think the percentages change too much, but this is something that needs to be tracked
4. DNT seems like it might be the biggest winner, not only because a mana dork helped to play around spells being taxed, but also because it's a lot harder for blue decks to support the color requirements of hosers like Kolaghans Command and Liliana the Last Hope without DRS
5. Manaless Dredge gets a boost from no DRS but it's likely going to be balanced by an uptick in Leylines and Surgicals if everybody expects Entomb/Loam decks to take off
6. Rector (both kinds) and High Tide become much stronger, it still might not be enough to make them relevant
7. Goblins becomes slightly stronger as the only deck that struggles to attack into a 1/2 on turn 2. This might also apply to Glistener Elf to some degree but I think the loss of Probe is more significant for that deck
8. With Kolaghans Command likely on a downswing, reduced mana fixing to help cast Leovold, and a lack of another compelling reason to play green (Decay?), Esper Stoneblade might see a resurgence as the premier midrange blue deck (Bant TNN is an option but that deck utilized all 8 manadorks before, the loss of DRS might be too important)
9. Grixis is still a relatively appealing color combination, but a significant part of a midrange/control Grixis list is the therapy/pyromancer interaction which becomes much worse when probe is illegal
10. Dark Depths' niche ('combo deck immune to any commonly played BURG card') starts to look less appealing if people start playing Swords to Plowshares again
11. Elves seems to become significantly worse when they don't have as many 'must kill' targets, and not having DRS probably makes the midrange gameplan much less viable
12. I wouldn't be too optimistic as a miracles player if the default tempo deck goes back to being the one with Nimble Mongoose in it
13. Any deck relying on DRS to not look like a clunky shitpile probably falls off the map entirely (Food Chain, Aluren, maybe Nic Fit, Shardless, Jund)
14. Zero unbans is still disappointing (Earthcraft/Mindtwist/Recruiter etc)
Really, it's because they won't ban brainstorm, and that was just the sugar coated version they printed to make everyone feel better. If they won't ban brainstorm, ponder/preordain are indefensible bannings because there is no universe where you can say that brainstorm is fine but ponder/preordain need to go. With probe, there are reasons to ban the card that are due to the nature of the card and the gameplay it creates, and the whole information thing which everyone here gets up in arms.
Deathrite Shaman needed to go and they needed to ban something to lower the overall velocity of the cantrip shell.
Guess Elves drops Black :(
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