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Which is exactly why Probe deserves to be banned.Originally Posted by Pook and Pie
Oh no, poor ANT players have to actually think before going of now and plan their turns with perfect information... But well all of them think they are so super skilled it shouldn't be a problem right?
Now the "we don't need perfect information, cuz we are skilled to the max" Canadian Thresh players are back. Personally I look forward to all the subpar Delver players. :D
Both are superpowers, yes, but it is yet another missed opportunity to lock down Brainstorm, the most broken card in Legacy for years.
Do people really want a Legacy format with pillars? Maybe, if they enjoy Vintage. I for one resent the idea. Brainstorm is a much cheaper card than Workshop or Bazaar, so that I had the illusion WotC would tackle it.
And, no unbans, again......
On the Sep 2011 Ban List Updates,
Agreed, they should have unbanned TOP while they’re fixing their past blunders.
Well, now there you go, that is an actual opinion, rather than a pastiche of cliches. Any combo deck that gets crushed by Delver decks is probably not a viable Legacy deck, since it is the most common archetype. So, most combo decks, notably Storm decks, are built with the expressed intention of maintaining a somewhat positive Delver matchup. It's going to come down to who draws better, who plays better.
Again, the point is that in Grixis you can attack from two axes, soft permission and discard. Will that make the matchup totally in your favor? Probably not. That doesn't mean it doesn't help. Discard also gains you the sort of information that can make Stifle better. So, Grixis with some discard and Stifle doesn't seem like an idea that is off the wall. Especially since, not all that long ago, people actually ran that.
My point is that, we have seen that RUG is generally not great versus something like Storm. Now, of course things have changed, but in general I think the fundamental aspects of the matchup remain that same. In this manner, I think that a Delver deck with discard, in addition to the same suite of things RUG would usually bring to bear, is better. Maybe not earth-shatteringly better, but still demonstrably better.
Now, the question of if Grixis threats are better is a bit more open, even though Angler is better than 'Goyf. What the suitable replacement of Deahrite is, I don't know, nor do I know what credible threat could do a Grixis impersonation of Mongoose.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
No that would be every blue player who thinks Brainstorm is a "staple" of the format and shouldn't be banned.
Goodbye shaman and probe. You won't be missed
Some of us never left mang
I would snap trade a Brainstorm ban for Probe and Deathrite Shaman unban.
Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
~ Mohandas Gandhi
I would even throw in Earthcraft too.
Next time ban Brainstorm. :)
If you guys think a lot of people are upset/disappointed about these two bannings, try to wrap your head around the percentage of legacy players who would be if brainstorm got it.
It's fetches, not brainstorm. Most of you haven't ever played brainstorm without fetches. I assure you that it's a much worse card.
So what are the next cards to look out for? I think Snap and Griselbrand are two candidates for looking great. Snap may find a harder time finding a home outside of miracles and maybe UR Delver.
Where's all the salt at though? I'm surprised that are aren't more complaints/rants from people who got hit by these pretty unexpected bans. It made former Miracles players go bananas too when SDT was banned after all. Why all the silence?
Fine, ban either of them.
I realize my last post could be read either way so I should clarify that I don't want Brainstorm banned. Im just a guy who wanted to play Grixis Delver and 4 Color Control till the end of time. Banning Brainstorm would have hurt but I would have just sleeved up 4x preordain and kept rolling. Now I'm just lost.
Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
~ Mohandas Gandhi
Im someone who was affected by the banning and it basically makes my deck unplayable now; however, as much as I feel DRS was keeping reanimator in check (and how I loath facing that in tournaments and worried it'll be over-represented now), I completely understand why the move was made. It was affecting diversity and it was such a house, even (more so?) for blue decks, when the primary colors for DRS aren't blue, it's a little messed up. I think that's what really set things apart in terms of why it was banned but unfortunately as a result, I'll need to go build myself a new deck.
Can't be much of a coincidence that this happened before the Legacy/Trio's PT around the corner.
I feel your pain man.... in a lot of ways, it would have been far easier if Brainstorm got banned instead of DRS. I'm hopeful there will still be a control deck available in legacy that isn't Miracles (or Lands, I suppose) in BUG/Grixis colors but Im very worried about it being much too slow without deathrite.
Because the average legacy players don't react like the snobbish miracles cult does...
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