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Standard: Rampaging Ferocidon unbanned
Modern
Hogaak, banned
Faithless looting Banned
Stoneforge - UNBANNED
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new karn - restricted
Mystic Forge restricted
Mental misstep restricted
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So people seriously think this is a hot new tech that will win tournaments, caw blade style?
I feel just the opposite is actually the fact of the matter. Legacy is in a relatively "good" place, people are playing it and there aren't any "obvious" actions that need to be taken.
People's individual subjected feelings though? Everyone's got a boatload of those.
Vintage was in a place where almost everyone who did play it Online was just not any more. They had to do something. Legacy is fine and in a fine place.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
I'm baffled that Looting was banned. I don't follow Modern, but in what kind of format is a card as innocuous as Looting worthy of a ban? Is Modern even a real format?
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Modern derives most of its value from GY synergy, and it’s an incredibly linear format. When you have no risk of meaningful interaction (FoW/Wasteland/Daze), Looting becomes an easy and safe pseudo-ramp/mana enabler. Honestly with this banned, they could have probably left Hogaak alone.
Recognizing cards as secretly being mana engines explains this ban. It’s a good ban, and next on the chopping block is going to be Mox Opal (maybe this card already is banned; don’t really keep up with modern other than it’s ability to screw up card prices).
I'm amazed that Ancient Stirrings didn't get hit. That card has never been in anything resembling a "fair" deck, its the single best cantrip in Modern, bar none now. That plus the London Mulligan and new Karn means Tron almost always "wins" on turn 3. Maybe Force of Negation is enough to stop it now that everyone doesn't have to spend so many slots on the graveyard, but I kinda doubt it.
SFM is fine, it'll be nice to see creature decks using equipment again. Wish they'd ban Griselbrand and Emrakul, it would be nice to see some fatties that don't immediately end the game see play. Especially Brand, but that'll probably never happen.
Fucking called it, hogaak ban and sfm unban for moden, no changes to legacy.
Looting ban is slightly surprising. This really nerfs a couple strong decks: red/izzet phoenix and traditional dredge. It also hamstrings value-based looting decks like mardu pyromancer and death's shadow variants. I'm not a fan of banning looting, honestly. I feel like Hogaak was enough. *shrug*
Stoneforge up y'all!
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Was Hogaak popular in Modern? Like I understand a lot of people played him, but was that because it was clearly the best deck, or did people like playing that deck?
I ask because I recall a few times in the past when meaty bans rolled through Modern, there would be a good chunk of players affected that pick up and move to Legacy. I can imagine those that still have the kit for the old Hogaak/Bridge from Below/Altar of Dementia just say fuck it and grab Cabal Therapy and whatever else they're now open to playing. Then for a few months the local meta gets really weird with new faces seeing complex interactions for the first time and a bunch of budget stuff while they either buy up or decide maybe the format isn't for them.
Based on a lot of talk, it seemed like people hated to play against him but also kind of hated to play with him as well, so maybe everybody just rejoices and nothing changes? Last one I remember was a bunch of new players all coming after Splinter Twin got banned. But Splinter Twin seemed to have a more equal representation on either side, there were lots of For/Against discussions. So either the pro-Hogaak crowd is shamed into silence, or they just don't exist, in which case the ban won't really change the format population.
I mean, I guess somewhere there are people who like playing Hogaak in Modern. Then again, there are people who like...well, lets just leave it at that.
Not that I am actively hunting it, but I have yet to come across any comment from anyone disagreeing with the Hogaak ban. I've seen a few people quibble with the Looting ban, but really no outright complaints. I don't think you will see any "mass exodus" on the back of this. There might be some disgruntled Phoenix players, but I doubt there are really all that many that didn't entertain the possibility this might happen.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
I don't think I knew anyone that thought Hogaak shouldn't have been banned. I think the people that played it were just like, yeah this deck is dumb as shit but I'll play it and win while it's legal
Since 2011:
Modern- 24 bannings
Vintage- 12 restrictions
Legacy- 6 bannings
Yeah, it was. At the GP this weekend it was 13% of day 1 decks (the next closest being 8% mono-red, the deck most likely to beat it), which progressed into 22% of the day 2 decks, and then 5/8 of the top 8 and 3/4 of the top 4 decks. The deck was far and away the most broken deck Modern has ever seen, by at least any statistical metric you want to use. It warped the metagame around it so hard that Leyline of the Void was the most played card in the format, and even then it could pretty easily win through it with 4x Assassin's Trophy and 4x Force of Vigor post-board.
The biggest problem was that the only card that could effectively cast it from being played quickly enough was Leyline, and even cards like Path to Exile weren't always effective since they had Carrion Feeder to dodge it. I haven't seen a single person who was outraged by that ban, which is extremely rare for the internet. Everyone saw it coming.
Faithless Looting reactions also seem to be surprisingly tame. It takes a lot of fun fringe decks out of contention, which sucks a lot, but it's kind of similar to how Sensei's Divining Top got hit in Legacy. Rock decks were playing it as a 2-of, and so were some other non-blue decks that wanted the card selection, but they weren't the ones abusing it. People seem generally pretty happy about these.
And people are very happy about Stoneforge Mystic. I wonder if the community outcry before the ban list update pushed WotC into unbanning it, since there was so many calls to unban it.
So I was looking up metagame cards on tcdecks last week. I don't play Modern but I decided to check out what their metagame looked like. Leyline of the Void was the #1 played card by a wide margin. The rest of the Top 10 were basically the Hogaak deck (Hogaak, Faithless Looting, Bloodghast). I am, therefor, not at all surprised by the bannings. It looked like the format was pretty fucked.
StoneForge Mistyc in Modern, it is not only Caw Blade.
She opens some options for D&T, Dead Guy Ale, Maverick or WBG. It is a fresh wind to the format especially after the Hoggaak Era.
I really expected anything in legacy, maybe next time.
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