View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

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  • Force of Will

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  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
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    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Oh no, I quoted you perfectly. Your out of your dam tree on Depths.

    In other news, there is no world where banning Hymn and leaving DRS in the format was going to solve anything. And I say this as someone that wholeheartedly misses being able to play 8 Strip mines with GQ. Card needed to die.

    Will admit it would be a neat answer to Wrenn though, but fixing the colours perfect so Wrenn is always a second turn play does not sound appealing.
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    ya, dark depths isn't broken

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Seems like a healthy top 8, all decks you can choose to easily beat with a few SB slots. Besides, its always nice to see a top 8 full of decks that are trying to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Seems like a healthy top 8, all decks you can choose to easily beat with a few SB slots. Besides, its always nice to see a top 8 full of decks that are trying to do something.
    Four outta eight being the same deck isn't healthy, lol

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Four outta eight being the same deck isn't healthy, lol
    It's also Depths, their deck has too many moving pieces to adapt to defend itself. If people want to beat it, they can. It doesn't really have intrinsic staying power and even among tier 1-1.5 decks, it's got pretty horrid matchups vs Lands and DnT. If we're giving Depths enough credit to routinely keep Wrenn decks out of top 8s by itself, just snipe 'em with a DnT meta call.

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    Yeah, let's ban the deck that had less than half the top 8 representation as the top deck last month lul

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    It's also Depths, their deck has too many moving pieces to adapt to defend itself. If people want to beat it, they can. It doesn't really have intrinsic staying power and even among tier 1-1.5 decks, it's got pretty horrid matchups vs Lands and DnT. If we're giving Depths enough credit to routinely keep Wrenn decks out of top 8s by itself, just snipe 'em with a DnT meta call.
    Problem is that D&T has a pretty rough match up versus Wrenn and six decks...

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by porcupinetreeman View Post
    http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=22880&f=LE

    ya, dark depths isn't broken
    Seems fine to me. Also I always find Asia meta seems to set off down its own path for some reason and we might not see quite the same trends in Europe or NA.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Jesus fucking Christ, can everyone get their left nut to tell their right nut to calm down. Dark Depths is not a bannable card in legacy.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    Problem is that D&T has a pretty rough match up versus Wrenn and six decks...
    Right, so if Wrenn loses to Depths, and Depths loses to DnT, and DnT loses to Wrenn...then there's no issue. In reality though, a Wrenn deck can beat both of these strategies with SB cards. Depths doing well every so often isn't that concerning, they have a ~15% winrate pre-loaded vs DnT (in the case that the deck was 'too good') and Crop Rot/Reclaimer/Hexmage/Mox/Depths/Stage is way too many slots invested in doing the thing to ward off a maindeck or sideboard strategy that wants to beat them.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Seems fine to me. Also I always find Asia meta seems to set off down its own path for some reason and we might not see quite the same trends in Europe or NA.
    Yeah, that meta was so known the #6 Dragon Stompy deck ran 2 maindeck Blood Sun over Magus of the Moon, likely as Depths hate.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Jesus fucking Christ, can everyone get their left nut to tell their right nut to calm down. Dark Depths is not a bannable card in legacy.
    No, you are objectively wrong. porcupinetreeman has shown us all the error of our ways and the card MUST BE BANNED FOR THE GOOD OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. Until you know, next month when it gets pushed out of the format and no one looks at it again for 3 months. But who cares that the deck is fragile to a land whos popularity is growing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    No, you are objectively wrong. porcupinetreeman has shown us all the error of our ways and the card MUST BE BANNED FOR THE GOOD OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. Until you know, next month when it gets pushed out of the format and no one looks at it again for 3 months. But who cares that the deck is fragile to a land whos popularity is growing.
    Are you seriously saying that because one depths deck is being replaced by another depths deck everything is fine?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Are you seriously saying that because one depths deck is being replaced by another depths deck everything is fine?
    Nope, I'm saying that since the best deck in the format is moving towards having Crop Rotation and Karakas, Depths is looking like it's going to have a harder time steamrolling events unaposed.

    The only time things get banned in Legacy is when it's proven the format is unable to self correct. If this is seen as one of those times it's Wrenn that's more likely to be deemed an issue, not Depths.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    >W6/Plague Engineer is printed
    >Decks that play them push Depths worst matchups out of the format
    >Depths is good against these
    >Depths is played

    Clearly Depths is inherently too good for legacy, the braintrust that is the source has done it again
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I can't imagine Dark Depths being banned atm. There just aren't a ton of White decks for a few different reasons and those are the best cards for trying to interact with Turbo Depths. Once you see more Karakas and friends Depths will lose meta share.

    New B&R announcement coming up. I'm pretty sure we are all aware of this song and dance. Nothing will change. There just aren't many cards on the ban list they could unban that would impact much of anything and a handful that wouldn't do much. Oh well.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I don't see any changes happening to Legacy. There isn't really any noise about anything being too good; there is some squeaking about Dark Depths in here, but it doesn't even come close to a saturation point for banning. There will always be a 'best' combo deck in Legacy whether it's Storm, Show and Tell, Reanimator, or Dark Depths. They take turns depending on metagame shifts (speaking of which, Storm is on the rise again due to the mid-range slugfests giving them a window.)

    Modern I think has had enough shake-up lately to last about a year. I predict no changes there either.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I have been watching vids of the Uzra deck, the Paradoxical one. While I do believe that no changes will be made this cycle the playstyle of the deck will force intervention soon. Even if it comes up against a natural predator I think it's strong enough to stay on the top tables and thus, be reacted to.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    After laughing at how awful it was watching Golos in standard on SCG thing yesterday, I imagine Field of the Dead is getting the axe - sooner rather than later.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    I have been watching vids of the Uzra deck, the Paradoxical one. While I do believe that no changes will be made this cycle the playstyle of the deck will force intervention soon. Even if it comes up against a natural predator I think it's strong enough to stay on the top tables and thus, be reacted to.
    This might be the final straw for Mox Opal. I don't think it will slow the deck down significantly with a ban, but it's been on their radar for a long time.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    This might be the final straw for Mox Opal. I don't think it will slow the deck down significantly with a ban, but it's been on their radar for a long time.
    Takes it from 7 Moxen to 4. I'm not sure that's good enough to change anything. No, I think Urza is the issue.
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