View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    No changes to any format

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by hermit_druid View Post
    My prediction:

    Hermit Druid unbanned

    Chalice of the Void players banned by DCI
    Ohh, the salty bittersweet taste of Nerdrage Tears (that's the new name for my Vanilla Ice tribute act btw)...

    No changes doesn't surprise me. Legacy has just settled down from the previous bannings, Vintage seems to be adapting to Paradoxical Outcome (the new U/W Legend seems to be helping) and Modern, well, who really cares?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by hermit_druid View Post
    My prediction:
    Chalice of the Void players banned by DCI
    We deserve it almost as much as brainstorm TBH

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    nothing on faithless looting in modern :( at least they could have said what was their intentions in the future for that card (nothing / watchlist / ...)
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    nothing on faithless looting in modern :( at least they could have said what was their intentions in the future for that card (nothing / watchlist / ...)
    They did a comment on that.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Announcement is on 5/20, any predictions?

    Faithless Looting was heavily under the radar for Modern, but I think Phoenix and Dredge decks have dropped considerably since the last announcement. They are both still popular decks but the meta-share of Phoenix is dropping to a safe level I think. The London mulligan test in, um, London, resulted in Humans taking 3/8 slots, Tron 2/8, with Phoenix, Valakut, and Affinity rounding out t8. I think the decision will be that the new London mulligan takes effect at the 5/20 announcement, effective for the upcoming MC.

    I'm still very skeptical of what the London mulligan will do for Legacy. While I don't think the sky is falling I think the format will take on a different identity, and I'm not looking forward to playing against Chalice decks multiple rounds in every tournament. It's a little ironic that the goal of change is prevent non-games but in Legacy it will make non-game decks like Moon Stompy more prevalent, thereby making more non-games. Limited, Standard, even Modern, have at it. Once you hit Legacy/Vintage I think there will be a significant impact that won't be quite so positive.
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    I've played north of a hundred matches since the London Mulligan hit MTGO. Chalice is still not that common (anecdotal, I know). The decks that "abuse" the London Mulligan best might get a slight bump in game one, but almost all of these decks lose so many points games 2 and 3 that really the overall difference in performance is quite small.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    So we have BS, Ponder, Surgical in more than 50% of the decks.
    And the new Muligan rule will favor Combo and Xerox decks.

    If CotV will be more played than usually Decay will make a come back.

    Time will tell.

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    I think thalia/non-combo thoughtseize decks will be hit worst long term. It will be so easy to t1 combo or t1 chalice that you'll need to be on those plans or fow. Not sure on how it will affect bans...
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    By the way, does anyone know why frantic search is banned? I canít figure out, outside of high tide decks, why itís banned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    By the way, does anyone know why frantic search is banned? I canít figure out, outside of high tide decks, why itís banned.


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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    IIRC, Frantic Search was never Legacy legal, so the answer is "because it was restricted in Vintage at the time Legacy was created as a format."

    As to why it's still banned though, well, I'd guess it is that no one at Wizards sees much value in unbanning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    By the way, does anyone know why frantic search is banned? I canít figure out, outside of high tide decks, why itís banned.


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    I believe Karn, the Great Creator will be the next card to hit the banlist in Legacy and Modern, and the restricted list in Vintage.

    Card is straight busted in every constructed format except Standard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    By the way, does anyone know why frantic search is banned? I canít figure out, outside of high tide decks, why itís banned.
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    Several of the other cards in the ban list are ostensibly only usable in one kind of deck. What kind of deck does Flash get used in?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Several of the other cards in the ban list are ostensibly only usable in one kind of deck. What kind of deck does Flash get used in?
    It sees fringe play in Nourishing Lich as a way to make 3 5/5 tokens EOT with Worldspine Wurm

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    By the way, does anyone know why frantic search is banned? I canít figure out, outside of high tide decks, why itís banned.


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    They just haven't gotten around to unbanning it. It's not nearly enough to make high tide good again. Earthcraft is banned for the same reason.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    By the way, does anyone know why frantic search is banned? I canít figure out, outside of high tide decks, why itís banned.
    Gitaxian Probe is banned and you ask about this? Free spells are good. Free spells that can net extra mana or enable graveyard tricks are even better. It's banned in Pauper too.

    Originally (birth of Legacy), it was banned for being too good in combo: High Tide, Academy, Storm, Reanimator, Replenish... Now there's just no fair reason to unban it. It would do nothing to improve the health of the format or open design space for fair decks.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Honestly haven't played much legacy, but the format seems to be stable if not straight up boring right now. Don't think anything needs to be banned right now although the normal shit like BS is still clearly busted. I still don't see why we don't get an unban on something bad. What was the last card that got unbanned that has had any impact at all?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    What was the last card that got unbanned that has had any impact at all?
    Depends on what "any impact" means, but I think the last really influential unban was Entomb in 2009.

    2010 saw Grim Monolith, Illusionary Mask and Time Spiral unbanned but Monolith and Spiral are only fringe playables. 2012 saw Land Tax unbanned, to no impact. 2015 saw Worldgorger Dragon and Black Vise unbanned, to no impact.
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