View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Don't be trolling. You serious?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

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    Don't be trolling. You serious?
    Serious indeed
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Earthcraft still too strong for Legacy

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Fuck, Lantern is harder to play now. Oh wait, Needle.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Fuck, Lantern is harder to play now. Oh wait, Needle.
    Or just play jace yourself, it's super good with lantern of insight and behind ensaring bridge

    All I want is for some lantern player to terminus in a GP off a jace so i can watch the twitch chat meltdown

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Don't be trolling. You serious?
    The unban has nothing to do with balancing. Modern was in a really good place right now. But since they have to sell M25 packs next month, they had to go and fuck it up in the quest for more money.

    Maybe they would be better off if they got their shit together and printed new duals without any shitty disadvantages, considering how desperate they seem for revenue now.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    The unban has nothing to do with balancing. Modern was in a really good place right now. But since they have to sell M25 packs next month, they had to go and fuck it up in the quest for more money.
    I agree Modern is in a good place currently, but I don't think these unbans will ruin that... What's your thought process on how this will ruin Modern?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I was already happy with modern and I think this is a great way to increase popularity of an already popular format. I'll be Jace-ing in modern for sure, maybe Bloodbraid-ing too. I certainly appreciate this over banning Lantern or some other nonsense because 'deck iz too guud, BAN!!!'

    If you are complaining about losing to Jace fateseal, dude, Lantern is the fateseal fucking deck. The repeatable Brainstorm is really powerful of course, but one of the most played cards in the format just happens to deal 3 damage. Without free countermagic, Jace is a lot more fragile.

    Bloodbraid Elf is a bit of a quandary. I think it will be powerful to play Bloodbraid into Kolaghan's Command, but I don't know if it's too powerful. Jace's presence in the format means a lot more counterspells will be played, and if that's the case KCommand will get countered and Bloodbraid becomes a 3/2 haste for 4, which is perfectly fair. I'm looking forward to jamming games in this new Modern format.

    I'm really surprised at WOTC's reticence for unbanning cards in Legacy. It would be a way to keep the format from getting too stale, which honestly it is becoming for me. I'm not saying it's bad, I love the format, but it's getting predictable. I want the Wild West!
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    Earthcraft still too strong for Legacy
    I lol'd. Can't have squirrel combo taking over the format. I'm glad we only have reasonable stuff like show and tell for Griselbrand
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I lol'd. Can't have squirrel combo taking over the format. I'm glad we only have reasonable stuff like show and tell for Griselbrand
    Three-mana Bargains are naturally less scary than infinite Squirrels. I mean, Griseltard only has 7 power!
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    Three-mana Bargains are naturally less scary than infinite Squirrels. I mean, Griseltard only has 7 power!
    Ya infinite tapped squirrels are way more busted than a grisselbrand

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    The recent Pro Tour and GP makes me want to try and sleeve up Modern again. But then I look at 9-32 of the GP and it's like 50% Tron and Burn decks.

    Jace and BBE back is pretty cool, and I think Disrupting Shoal could make a push into Modern Jace decks.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I lol'd. Can't have squirrel combo taking over the format. I'm glad we only have reasonable stuff like show and tell for Griselbrand

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Worth pointing out that wincons were never supposed to be anything but broken, team.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    That's totally unrealistic!

    You'd need at least 20 Squirrels, Wonder, and an Island.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew View Post
    That's totally unrealistic!

    You'd need at least 20 Squirrels, Wonder, and an Island.
    Levitation also works.

    Or Akroma's Memorial if you want to stay monocolor and have Cradle in play. Although in that case, it's questionable why you don't win on the spot with the divine fury of an angelic squirrel legion.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Pfft...I guess a lot of people here don't remember the Mercadian Masques ALL STAR that was Spidersilk Armor. Reach, toughness, everything you need. That's a card that could gum up casual boardstates like no other and would help our tree-rat friends eat some spaghetti with their acorns.

    PS: With the Modern B&R Llist update we are officially in Yu Gi Oh territory ladies and germs. Next up, a Mana Drain unban in Legacy to gin up sales for Bubonic Masters in 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    The unban has nothing to do with balancing. Modern was in a really good place right now. But since they have to sell M25 packs next month, they had to go and fuck it up in the quest for more money.

    Maybe they would be better off if they got their shit together and printed new duals without any shitty disadvantages, considering how desperate they seem for revenue now.
    yes unbanning 4 mana fair cards that shouldn't be on the ban list = destroying the format as a cash grab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rascalyote View Post
    yes unbanning 4 mana fair cards that shouldn't be on the ban list = destroying the format as a cash grab.
    It's concerning to see the ban list cynically managed to sell packs of a new product as opposed to make formats more interesting or healthy.

    Sure, JTMS is very unlikely to destroy Modern. I doubt it will even put more than a dozen copies in the next few top 8s. Some U/W or U/W/r lists will slot in two to three Jaces instead of whatever other value/engines they were running and be somewhat stronger against slower, fairer matchups as a result (i.e. a minority of the Modern metagame). But I fail to see any upside to unbanning Jace.

    Blue-based control doesn't need the help. U/x/y lists have had good tournament finishes without Jace in recent times. And the addition of the Walletsculptor to the format will serve only to push out a bunch of 4-drops that are drastically weaker than Jace in Blue decks interested in the long game that had seen play up to this point. Instead of seeing random Nahiris, Gideons, Elspeth's, Mom and Pop's Thopter Shop, or Jace, Architecht of Thought, we're probably just going to see a bunch of Mindsculptors in U/x/y Control and Midrange piles because he's on a much higher power level than any of those options.

    And JTMS doesn't really enable anything interesting; he's simply an incredibly powerful and flexible goodstuff card. It's no Survival, or in Modern terms Twin or Pod, where you can build a unique strategy around it.

    From a format health perspective, it seems like there's little-to-no upside, some likely downsides, and the scant risk of catastrophe. But the financial side looks great for WotC. Masters 25 now has a $100 chase Mythic, legal in one of the most popular constructed formats, for people to go nuts over; Jace is now a much more exciting spoiler than he was as $40-$50 Legacy and Cube staple and that's likely to be reflected in sales.

    Ain't the end of the world by any means, but, just like the mass Standard bannings, this is a slippery slope we're headed down.

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    Lol. Jace is not good enough to be banned, so he is unbanned. I see nothing wrong with that. Shortening the banned list seems to be smart move. Also Jace and BBE are iconic and people like to cast them. Win-win. I approve this unbanning.

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