View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce View Post
    So I guess the question now is whether this'll torpedo all the cards. Is eight mana for a Yorion worth a Yorion?

    EDIT: And did they kill my beloved Gigan?
    Well to be clear, this isn't 100% of what I said.
    It's to move it from your sideboard to your hand.

    So 8 mana Yorion is only if you want to transfer it to your hand and then cast it at once.
    What this really is doing is opening up discard as a viable avenue.

    Do you spend the mana early to play Yorion out on turn 5 but risk a cheeky Cabal Therapy? Or like you said wait until the game is already decided before trying to jam his safely from his hidey-hole?

    My question is: is this enough to see the others return from banning?
    Seems nobody was playing Lurrus maindeck besides myself, so I'm especially invested in seeing it come off, but not if it's what MODO was those few weeks.
    Zirda seems a bit more dangerous, the deck going infinite seems well suited to have an extra 3 colorless on hand.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
    My question is: is this enough to see the others return from banning?
    Seems nobody was playing Lurrus maindeck besides myself, so I'm especially invested in seeing it come off, but not if it's what MODO was those few weeks.
    Zirda seems a bit more dangerous, the deck going infinite seems well suited to have an extra 3 colorless on hand.
    My thoughts on the change:

    Gyruda - makes the deck more vulnerable to disruption (discard) and slows the deck down (either need 9 mana or get it into your hand the turn before). This makes the deck slightly worse but I don't think takes it out of competitiveness.

    Zirda - the infinite combos are slightly more expensive but its still a consistent and explosive deck. I can see this remaining banned.

    Keruga - These stompy decks were getting buzz from DJ Izma but I feel this change kills them.

    Obosh - This change makes Obosh pointless.

    Jegentha - I don't think this change effects Lands and RUG running this card - it was a late game play anyway. They spend 3 mana when they have nothing else to do and play it the turn after.

    Lurrus - This is the big one - I think you can unban Lurrus now. No more LED into Lurrus, and slows down lurrus a whole turn where paying 3 to do nothing hurts the tempo Lurrus decks thrive on.

    Yorion - The other big one. It definitely hurt Yorion decks but these decks play the long game anyway . . . they can afford to pay 3 one turn and the turn after cast Yorion and draw 4.

    Kaherra - No creature decks that ran this just in case will probably stil ldo so, but those decks were far in between. Tribal decks will also probably continue to run it, but these tribal decks were never competitive.

    Lutri - This change makes Lutri pointless as you can't take advantage of the tempo and even if you were using lutri for the suspend spell shennigans the set up now is too much IMO for Lutri

    Umori - Lol
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Some predictions:

    1) I don't think the companions are playable now, due to the pure efficiency of Delver and combo decks.
    2) Lurrus and Zirda won't be unbanned, even if my first statement proves correct.
    3) The metagame will change within the next month or so, if Delver can start taking back a bigger share of the metagame.
    4) Blew-stew (Astrolabe + Oko) will now be Public Enemy #1 again.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Lutri doesn’t care a huge amount, suspend 4 means you have time for 3 land drops, putting Lutri into hand, then untapping as suspend spell comes off. You’re not actually trying to copy the suspend spell anyways (vs any permission), you want Lutri there to make sure oppos can’t fight the suspend spell on the stack.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Someone on reddit brought up that in Yorion decks this rule makes FOW slightly better by giving it another alternative cost:

    It used to be either
    - cast force for 0, exile a blue card, pay 1 life
    - pay 3UU when you need to counter something

    Now it is
    - cast force for 0, exile a blue card, pay 1 life
    - pay 3 in advance, then counter for free, pay 1 life
    - pay 3UU when you need to counter something
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Lunar force now legacy playable!

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    My thoughts on the change:

    Gyruda - makes the deck more vulnerable to disruption (discard) and slows the deck down (either need 9 mana or get it into your hand the turn before). This makes the deck slightly worse but I don't think takes it out of competitiveness.
    Except you can't cast a card that's already in your hand using LED mana.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by talpa View Post
    Except you can't cast a card that's already in your hand using LED mana.
    No, but if you have the 9 mana you can crack however many LEDs before using the "put in hand" ability, and LED can always pay for that ability

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by alphastryk View Post
    No, but if you have the 9 mana you can crack however many LEDs before using the "put in hand" ability, and LED can always pay for that ability
    And this is why Lurrus and Zirda stay banned even after the companion fix. The artifact deck can drop their hand, minimizing the effects of LED and continue on their broke AF way.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    5-0 results post companion rule change people are still playing companions including this cool Kahera Pox deck https://magic.wizards.com/en/article...20-06-06#jgm_-

    Total companion count is:

    Yorion: 11
    Lutri: 1
    Keruga: 1
    Jegantha: 1
    Gyruda: 1
    Kaheera: 1

    Which is impressive since I thought all but Yorion to be dead.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Total companion count is:

    Yorion: 11
    Lutri: 1
    Keruga: 1
    Jegantha: 1
    Gyruda: 1
    Kaheera: 1

    Which is impressive since I thought all but Yorion to be dead.
    I think the results demonstrate how much air people actually countenance having in their sideboards.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    List from yesterday shows a much more limited companion showing with only 2 yorion lists and nothing else: https://magic.wizards.com/en/article...alice_th_place
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    List from yesterday shows a much more limited companion showing with only 2 yorion lists and nothing else: https://magic.wizards.com/en/article...alice_th_place
    Yup, same for the challenge of the 7th:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tourname...2165551#online

    Even astrolabe, only at 25%...

    Interestingly, with the companions going, the % for brainstorm also went down by almost 20% with brainstorm sitting now at 56%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    Now, can we somehow fabricate an argument why fetchlands are culturally offensive?

    Destroying amazon river for farmland?

    Is as bad as sacing misty rainforest for savannah
    Classy...
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    https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/st...64682009399296

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