Brainstorm
Force of Will
Lion's Eye Diamond
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Tarmogoyf
Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Goblin Lackey
Standstill
Natural Order
The best deck of the format is delver. Delver in any combination is a Tier 1 and aggro decks are the most played right now. If you ban Veil of summer or Oko, you must ban Delver of secrets first.
Historycally blue creatures don't have a 3/2 flying for
Delver decks are 18 fo the 40 % of aggro decks (mtgtop8).
Chalice is a great card. I dont want to play a format where the only viable cards are 1CMC. Imo, they should have never banned Mental Misstep either. Fuck 1CMC hyper efficient spells. We have 20k cards to choose from yet we cant get out of a lightning bolt + brainstorm paradigm.
Nah, chalice is one of the gatekeepers of legacy, just like FoW and Wasteland and Blood Moon to a lesser extent. As long as it's useful, the meta stays relatively healthy. Whenever they are not useful [edit: even more so, perhaps, when they are overly useful], it indicates there may be meta problems [this needs to be refined and extrapolated, will leave as is though]. Vast oversimplification just to illustrate the idea..
Edit: in relation to the next post, and the previous, it doesn't ultimately matter if it's fun when it serves to keep degenerate strategies in check. In my view.
Oh boy, the ol' "things I don't like are bad, things I do like are good" argument again. We haven't done this for a thousand pages...
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Force of Will is supposed to be used defensively, but players are using Force of Will to remove potential blockers and resolve Show and Tell. Sorry but for the good of the format we need to ban Force of Will.
Veil isn't used historically by green decks because A) it was just printed last year thus has no history and B) historically green decks suck. When you have to print ridiculous bullshit like Questing Beast to make your color somewhat playable without Brainstorm there is something fundamentally wrong. Every color needs some form of powerful, maindeck playable stack interaction to make the cut.
Edited for autocorrect messing up some words
Yeah, to say that I don't understand an "appeal to historicism" would be an understatement, so I agree completely.
Consider things just before Alliances came out. Then Force of Will bursts into the meta. Now, people could have, and rightly so, stated "Blue has never been able to counter a spell for zero mana!" That is true, until it is not. The notion that we should be locked into some precedent simply on the merit of precedence makes no sense to me at all. That is utterly conservative to the point of absurdity. There is a place for something like a normative claim, but not precedence as a justification for precedence, that just smacks of circular logic (and belies there is something else likely going on).
Most decks, looking to protect from countermagic, ran Red, on the back of 'Blasts. Now, there is reason to consider Green and suddenly the sky is falling. Why is/was the Reddening of Blue decks acceptable, but a Greenening bad for the format? I mean, outside the notion of personal opinion. "[Green] [sh]ouldn't do that!" really isn't a case, as far as I can tell.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
How many Questing Beasts made top 8s? Green is still underpowered.
They need to make a Questing Beast variant with stack interaction that also rewards playing green cards.
The Last Beast 2GG
Legendary Creature - Beast
Flash, Trample, Vigilance.
Can't be countered except by spells whose mana cost was paid.
When ~ ETB, target spell, permanent or player gains hexproof until the end of turn.
While your devotion to green is 6 or greater, ~ has hexproof, deathtouch and indestructible.
5/5
Features:
- High enough power level to justify 2xForest
- Interacts with the stack, but compatible with Green's role in the color pie
- Rewards playing other green cards instead of Island
- Pseudo-unkillable, but not in a boring uninteractive way like TNN
Last edited by FTW; 01-24-2020 at 11:50 PM.
To me, it’s something along the lines of “green shouldn’t have such a big ability to manipulate the stack”. It’s the big beaters colour. The destroy things colour. But not the stack manipulation colour.
If it were (g) 1/1 flash you have hexproof, it wouldn’t feel so bad I think.
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Legacy decks: mono U painter, strawberry shortcake, imperial painter, solidarity, burn
EDH decks: zedruu voltron, rakdos the defiler, persistent petitioners, blind seer
1 mana cryptic Command (Veil) as well as orim’s chant basically for G is absolutely bananas and anyone who says it isnt is lying to you lol. Its already the best hate card ever printed for its role...whether Wizards thinks it needs to go is to be seen. But Id say its on top of their watchlist
The card is very good but is only good VS Blue & black decks. Is not a Deathrite, Gitaxian or w&6. You always plaw white, red, green and artifact colours if you are wrecked by Veil. I think is good because blue based decks are the most powerful and veil moderate this issue.
Of course, just play Zoo. Wild Nacatl does so well against Dark Ritual.
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