All B/R update speculation.

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Spirit Guide, Spirit Guide into Manamorphose, the way God intended

Fixed that for you.

[CptHaddock]

Hey folks what do we think about unbanning black lotus? It's basically just pure card disadvantage since you can't really do anything good with 3 of the same color of mana anyways. You are down 3 cards if your opponent forces a turn 1 JTMS aka pure card disadvantage. It seems close to unplayable, kind of like tinker.

[taconaut]

Maybe unban minds desire while we're at it

Please?? Please, can we??

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

More storm can’t be a bad thing, although I’m certain the bitch about everything contingency would find fault with it

[Ace/Homebrew]

More storm can’t be a bad thing, although I’m certain the bitch about everything contingency would find fault with it

Give me a Chalice of the Void creature (whose P/T is equal to X) and you can have Mind's Desire.

[Humphrey]

Hey folks what do we think about unbanning black lotus? It's basically just pure card disadvantage since you can't really do anything good with 3 of the same color of mana anyways. You are down 3 cards if your opponent forces a turn 1 JTMS aka pure card disadvantage. It seems close to unplayable, kind of like tinker.

glad to see this thread finally turned serious.

upvote for reintroducing ante in legacy.

[whienot]

glad to see this thread finally turned serious.

upvote for reintroducing ante in legacy.

I would thoroughly enjoy a 4 Chaos Orb Legacy.

[Megadeus]

Give me a Chalice of the Void creature (whose P/T is equal to X) and you can have Mind's Desire.

We're pretty close with Sanctum Prelate right?

[Ace/Homebrew]

We're pretty close with Sanctum Prelate right?

Nope... can't play Prelate off Ancient Tomb

[taconaut]

Give me a Chalice of the Void creature (whose P/T is equal to X) and you can have Mind's Desire.

oooooof....on the one hand, chalice is the worst thing about magic....on the other hand...Mind's Desire is awesome....

[Admiral_Arzar]

oooooof....on the one hand, chalice is the worst thing about magic....on the other hand...Mind's Desire is awesome....

Does not compute. Chalice and Desire are probably my two favorite magic cards.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Does not compute. Chalice and Desire are probably my two favorite magic cards.

How schizophrenic of you.

[Asthereal]

I want Frantic Search back. Let's make Solidarity a thing again.

[MorphBerlin]

Does not compute. Chalice and Desire are probably my two favorite magic cards.

Can you elaborate on why chalice is your favorite card? I can get behind desire but chalice baffles me. (Maybe link to stompy discord explains it all though?

[taconaut]

Can you elaborate on why chalice is your favorite card? I can get behind desire but chalice baffles me.

Maybe it's the sort of thing like perfume, where there has to be a disgusting, musky undertone to round out the fragrance.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Maybe it's the sort of thing like perfume, where there has to be a disgusting, musky undertone to round out the fragrance.

It's a fragrance called 'Opponent's Tears'.

[Dice_Box]

It's a fragrance called 'Opponent's Tears'.

Fuck yes. Played Stax tonight. Dam its so much fun.

[Admiral_Arzar]

How schizophrenic of you.

I mean, I started Legacy on system combo decks, the more complex the better. Played a ton of different Storm variants, and High Tide remains my favorite Legacy deck of all time. Nowadays I tend to play Tomb/City-based decks, whether they include Chalice or not (most do, but I love me some Painter).

Can you elaborate on why chalice is your favorite card? I can get behind desire but chalice baffles me. (Maybe link to stompy discord explains it all though?

I like prison decks and have always preferred board control strategies to stack control strategies. Since MBC, Enchantress, and similar decks are unplayable in this format, I have gravitated towards Chalice decks and occasionally Lands in the last 4-5 years. Chalice is also the best hate card against cantrips, and I strongly dislike how the cantrip shell has come to dominate Legacy and caused the format to cease to resemble the one I enjoyed so much 7-8 years ago.

Also, expanding on my response to Secretly.A.Bee, I don't like fair blue decks. Blue for me was always an enabler for system combo. As those decks (particularly High Tide) got worse, and the agro strategies I also liked died out, prison decks became the go-to strategy that wasn't a fair blue deck. I like artifacts a lot as well considering I started playing right around OG Mirrodin. This has become way too random, and I'm sure if I thought about it I could come up with other reasons so I'll stop now.

It's a fragrance called 'Opponent's Tears'.

My favorite liquid upon which to quench my thirst while playing magic.

[MorphBerlin]

I like prison decks and have always preferred board control strategies to stack control strategies. Since MBC, Enchantress, and similar decks are unplayable in this format, I have gravitated towards Chalice decks and occasionally Lands in the last 4-5 years. Chalice is also the best hate card against cantrips, and I strongly dislike how the cantrip shell has come to dominate Legacy and caused the format to cease to resemble the one I enjoyed so much 7-8 years ago.

Thats not really an answer though. Ok, why do you like prison/board control strategies? (Even though I would like to know, which stack based control deck exists in legacy, miraclces plays as much elemonts of board control as it plays of stack control.) I for example like decision based interactive games (like most mtg players overall). Thats why I fail to understand how slamming a lock piece on t1 and then either winning when its good enough or loosing when its not is any fun, but I accept that it is for some people. Unfortunatly right now there seems to be less and less of that (at least on mtgo). Everybody is trying to throw their Chalice/Blood Moon/B2B/Choke-shit at each other... I am close to throwing 100$into arena to play standard cause it looks terrific atm.

Even though chalice is the best hate for cantrips it's just broken in a format which is first and foremost about tempo and thus forcing decks to focus on low cmc spells.

[sco0ter]

Thats not really an answer though. Ok, why do you like prison/board control strategies? (Even though I would like to know, which stack based control deck exists in legacy, miraclces plays as much elemonts of board control as it plays of stack control.) I for example like decision based interactive games (like most mtg players overall). Thats why I fail to understand how slamming a lock piece on t1 and then either winning when its good enough or loosing when its not is any fun, but I accept that it is for some people.

For some people, including me, permanent-based control is just more attractive than stack-based control. You have your cards on the battlefield, you can use them, tap or activate, they have a continuous effect usually, you can block or attack if it's a creature... etc. Generally, you have "built" something, you have "more" from your cards over multiple turns, in contrary to a counter spell.

Second, the tears and moaning from your opponents :-)

And you still have decisions to make.

Even though chalice is the best hate for cantrips it's just broken in a format which is first and foremost about tempo and thus forcing decks to focus on low cmc spells.

That's bullshit imo. It's like saying "Force of Will is broken in a format which is about fast combo decks and thus forcing them to include disruption".

Force of Will keeps combo decks in check. Chalice keeps cantrip/tempo decks in check.