All B/R update speculation.

[Lava Snacks]

Never will and never should happen, but what price do you think I'd see for Tabernacle on the Complain About Prices thread if Fastbond were unbanned .

[Darkenslight]

This seems to be the current ban logic in all formats, witht he exception of Mirrorman in Standard:

Look at me, I'm the DCI!

[Purple Blood]

How many times does it need to be shown that the "explanations" in the B&R announcement is solely PR pitch? Spin, nothing more. This doesn't mean it can't have elements of truth, or be based on some facts. You don't need their explanations, you have logic you can use. Somewhat valuable life lesson: look what people do, not what they say.

I'm pretty sure they saw Zvi's article and realized what was about to happen. Kuddos for at least realizing they fucked up and fixing it.

I'm almost 100% positive the real reason they banned Top was because Miracles was the best deck for so long the metagame was more or less solved. People say it "warped" the meta but what it really did was freeze the meta. With the top deck never changing there is no cycle of predator/prey. With a ban there's a chance for big changes, revival of old builds, and possibly even a new deck to emerge.

[H]

I'm almost 100% positive the real reason they banned Top was because Miracles was the best deck for so long the metagame was more or less solved. People say it "warped" the meta but what it really did was freeze the meta. With the top deck never changing there is no cycle of predator/prey. With a ban there's a chance for big changes, revival of old builds, and possibly even a new deck to emerge.

I think that is only part of it, but yes, the meta was quite stale.

What they have access to and we never will is also the actual data for sanctioned play. We'll never know exactly what attendance looked like outside big marque events. This could have factored in the the choice.

What we also won't know, for a while, is new cards/designs coming out that Top might well have been even more overpowered with.

These are things they also would certainly not be apt to disclose in a B&R announcement.

Like I said before, I feel reasonably confident that this is yet another Mystical Tutor case and future us will look back on it's (fairly obvious) necessity.

[Purple Blood]

I think that is only part of it, but yes, the meta was quite stale.

What they have access to and we never will is also the actual data for sanctioned play. We'll never know exactly what attendance looked like outside big marque events. This could have factored in the the choice.

What we also won't know, for a while, is new cards/designs coming out that Top might well have been even more overpowered with.

These are things they also would certainly not be apt to disclose in a B&R announcement.

Like I said before, I feel reasonably confident that this is yet another Mystical Tutor case and future us will look back on it's (fairly obvious) necessity.

If its new cards that haven't been printed then the timing is curious.

But I agree with what you said about the ban being a good thing. I'm in favor of the ban and if another control deck can emerge then it will be a great ban.

What I would love to see is R/W getting some busted cards to bring it on the level of B/G. I feel like there is sufficient design space that hasn't been explored in that combination of colors that could open the door to a wider range of decks.

[Crimhead]

What I would love to see is R/W getting some busted cards to bring it on the level of B/G. I feel like there is sufficient design space that hasn't been explored in that combination of colors that could open the door to a wider range of decks.

Bombs are less scary with Miracles not being an issue.

It would be fun to see something hyper-aggressive in those colours that put a Sligh deck on the map.
Otherwise maybe a midrange card to push Patriot Blade?
I don't really think Blood & Taxes needs to get any better though!

[Hanni]

Cruel Lightningmancer
R/W
Creature - Goblin Wizard
Haste, First Strike
R, Tap: Deal two damage to target creature.
W, Tap: Destroy target artifact or enchantment. You lose life equal to that permanents converted mana cost.
1/1

Delicious.

[CptHaddock]

Cruel Lightningmancer
R/W
Creature - Human Wizard
Haste
R, Tap: Deal two damage to target creature.
W, Tap: Destroy target artifact or enchantment. You lose life equal to that permanents converted mana cost.
1/2

Delicious.

Powercreeping Viashino Heretic and Grim Lavamancer. Sign me up fam.

[Hanni]

Actually, make it a 1/1 but add First Strike.

Will edit.

Seems about as pushed as Deathrite Shaman.

[ToadFlinger]

Actually, make it a 1/1 but add First Strike.

Will edit.

Seems about as pushed as Deathrite Shaman.

Nah, you have to have it work off the graveyard or something, because that makes it balanced

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

people talking about bans already? we've got the ban everyones been clamoring for for years. now time to see the unbans goddamnit. I honestly would be way happier if they unbanned Mind Twist, Mana Drain, Earthcraft, Goblin Recruiter, Frantic Search and Survival of the Fittest instead of banning SDT or anyother card in the format. I was highly disappointed that they didn't unban anything along with the SDT ban which kills the "prisoner exchange" narrative. Whatever they did that got WotC to ban SDT, they should do the same to get them unbanning shit. I'd bet a lot of money that Mind Twist will effect the format no more than Black Vise did, earthcraft and goblin recruiter will probably help enchantress and goblins, both of which are tier 3 decks in need of help right now. Frantic Search and SotF will probably make a decent impact on legacy but it won't be broken.

[ToadFlinger]

people talking about bans already? we've got the ban everyones been clamoring for for years. now time to see the unbans goddamnit. I honestly would be way happier if they unbanned Mind Twist, Mana Drain, Earthcraft, Goblin Recruiter, Frantic Search and Survival of the Fittest instead of banning SDT or anyother card in the format. I was highly disappointed that they didn't unban anything along with the SDT ban which kills the "prisoner exchange" narrative. Whatever they did that got WotC to ban SDT, they should do the same to get them unbanning shit. I'd bet a lot of money that Mind Twist will effect the format no more than Black Vise did, earthcraft and goblin recruiter will probably help enchantress and goblins, both of which are tier 3 decks in need of help right now. Frantic Search and SotF will probably make a decent impact on legacy but it won't be broken.

I think Goblin Recruiter could be unbanned. I don't think it's all that good, like Entomb. I would like to see GRecruiter followed by Ringleader, then getting Cabal Therapy'ed

[jimmythegreek]

Cruel Lightningmancer
R/W
Creature - Human Wizard
Haste, First Strike
R, Tap: Deal two damage to target creature.
W, Tap: Destroy target artifact or enchantment. You lose life equal to that permanents converted mana cost.
1/1

Delicious.

Goblin wizard! Hell, id pay 1R/W if it were a goblin.

[Crimhead]

people talking about bans already? we've got the ban everyones been clamoring for for years. now time to see the unbans goddamnit. I honestly would be way happier if they unbanned Mind Twist, Mana Drain, Earthcraft, Goblin Recruiter, Frantic Search and Survival of the Fittest instead of banning SDT or anyother card in the format. I was highly disappointed that they didn't unban anything along with the SDT ban which kills the "prisoner exchange" narrative. Whatever they did that got WotC to ban SDT, they should do the same to get them unbanning shit. I'd bet a lot of money that Mind Twist will effect the format no more than Black Vise did, earthcraft and goblin recruiter will probably help enchantress and goblins, both of which are tier 3 decks in need of help right now. Frantic Search and SotF will probably make a decent impact on legacy but it won't be broken.

Mana Drain might go along way to boost Scroll Rack Miracles. A turn three Jace without tapping out should help compensate for lost library fixing.

On the other hand, would Drain be dangerous in Spiral Tide? I know I would have loved to run in back in my candle stick days. Unbanning Drain and FS might prove to be too much.

[Ronald Deuce]

Delicious.

Give it Double Strike and bring back that "untap" mechanic from Shadowmoor.

[Crimhead]

How about:

Flagellation
Enchantment
Creatures controlled by an opponent come into play tapped.
Whenever a creature untaps, Flagellation deals 2 damage to that creature.
When Flagellation is put into a graveyard from play, it deals 2 damage to each creature you don't control.

That ought to shift the balance away from BUG a little.

[Hanni]

Goblin wizard! Hell, id pay 1R/W if it were a goblin.

Fixed. Goblin Wizard it is.

[Hopo]

Go back to Salvation or at least to the dedicated thread here with your stupid imaginary cards.

[tescrin]

Cruel Lightningmancer
R/W
Creature - Goblin Wizard
Haste, First Strike
R, Tap: Deal two damage to target creature.
W, Tap: Destroy target artifact or enchantment. You lose life equal to that permanents converted mana cost.
1/1

I don't get why the creatures people have posted in a half dozen threads keep having attached card advantage and no grave reliance. They want a strictly better Lavamancer in a half dozen directions before adding all the other stuff


DRS is good, but he:
* Never gains CA
* Is reliant on the graveyard
* Can't do anything if an opponent has a deathrite on the field

IMO, a W/R one needs to fall into a similar thing. Something like:

R/W
Exalted
If a creature you control blocks and is the only creature blocking, it gets +1/+1.
{t}, W - Opponents can't cast more than one spell this turn.
R - Target Creature you Control gains Menace until end of turn. Use this ability only once per turn.
0/1

This gives you a 1/2 effectively, while being helpful in delivering damage and cancelling stalemates (great with Goyf.) It has application against Combo and fair decks without gaining CA every turn or something ridiculous. It additionally provides evasion, which isn't that different from a creature that hits an opponent without targeting.

I get that you look at this and go "Das dum", but this would probably see play. Menace is brutal good on fat, and a Silence whenever you want gives you some combo.

[Lemnear]

I'm almost 100% positive the real reason they banned Top was because Miracles was the best deck for so long the metagame was more or less solved. People say it "warped" the meta but what it really did was freeze the meta. With the top deck never changing there is no cycle of predator/prey. With a ban there's a chance for big changes, revival of old builds, and possibly even a new deck to emerge.

Did you even read the announcement? They literally said that the deck was sitting on top of the metagame and that they had hoped it would go away naturally by printings and metashifts, which wasn't the case, ergo they took action.

Edit:
Ladies, this isn't the card creation thread! It's outright confusing if some Fantasy designs pop up in threads other than the designated one.