View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by iGrok View Post
    I'm pretty sure Hooting Mandrills is just as good as goyf right now.
    This is 5000% incorrect. Tarmogoyf is most definitely past it's peak, but that doesn't make wannabe crap better.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Mandrills is darn good, no matter what die-hard RUG players say.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    Mandrills is darn good, no matter what die-hard RUG players say.

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    That's why it's unplayed. Gentlemen's Agreement 2.0?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by menace13 View Post
    Awesome non-sequitur is awesome. Mise well just use "look, they have spells".
    It's people like you why we can't have nice things. Instead if addressing what I said, you just evade the actual content of my message and don't even quote it.
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    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    It's people like you why we can't have nice things. Instead if addressing what I said, you just evade the actual content of my message and don't even quote it.
    Are you certain this isnt some bizarro roleplaying where a person does something but blames another person for doing it?

    And, no. I did quote it.
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    Look, ALL of them are playing lands. That's not very diverse, is it?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by menace13 View Post
    Are you certain this isnt some bizarro roleplaying where a person does something but blames another person for doing it?

    And, no. I did quote it.


    See?
    No, it's not some roleplaying; it's only you who tries to evade what now looks like a really strong argument by not quoting it and acting like it didn't exist.

    I know it's more difficult to argue against what I said, but you can at least try. I mean, why not?

    And yeah, I stand by it; you're toxic to the discussion by not addressing what I said. I mean, we're not 14 years old anymore where the most important thing is too make a "witty" comment so that we can evade facing what the other person said. I myself made a "witty" comment AND then addressed the issue with substance. You chose to only make the former; who's the troll now?
    The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
    1. Discuss the unbanning of Land Tax Earthcraft.
    2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
    3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
    4. Stifle Standstill.
    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
    6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
    7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Would you mind taking that to PMs?

    I'm interested in Prague Eternal Top8s. I'd love to see the amount of BS in the top decks. I guess it'll be something like 24 o 28 BS with one Dredge, Elves, Moon or another random deck top ate.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer View Post
    Would you mind taking that to PMs?

    I'm interested in Prague Eternal Top8s. I'd love to see the amount of BS in the top decks. I guess it'll be something like 24 o 28 BS with one Dredge, Elves, Moon or another random deck top ate.
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    UWR - winner
    BGr Hexmage Depths - runner-up
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    2x Merfolk
    I don't know anything about the exact lists though.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    No, it's not some roleplaying; it's only you who tries to evade what now looks like a really strong argument by not quoting it and acting like it didn't exist.

    I know it's more difficult to argue against what I said, but you can at least try. I mean, why not?

    And yeah, I stand by it; you're toxic to the discussion by not addressing what I said. I mean, we're not 14 years old anymore where the most important thing is too make a "witty" comment so that we can evade facing what the other person said. I myself made a "witty" comment AND then addressed the issue with substance. You chose to only make the former; who's the troll now?
    It's a bit disingenuous to compare such a basic building block of the game as lands to everyone playing a colored card. MTG doesn't have the kind of built to be a backbone cards that eg. Netrunner does, so everyone playing Brainstorm is an indication of poor format health.

    I mean, yeah, the strategies are different (and esp. were pre-Cruise when the blue decks differed more significantly), but everything being cantrippy and blue isn't exactly diverse either. Still, rather Delver, Shardless, Miracles, Storm than Delver, Delver, Miracles, Storm.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    No, it's not some roleplaying; it's only you who tries to evade what now looks like a really strong argument by not quoting it and acting like it didn't exist.
    Did you make a strong argument? Because I must have missed that part, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    And yeah, I stand by it; you're toxic to the discussion by not addressing what I said. I mean, we're not 14 years old anymore where the most important thing is too make a "witty" comment so that we can evade facing what the other person said. I myself made a "witty" comment AND then addressed the issue with substance. You chose to only make the former; who's the troll now?
    There we go. Toxic, troll, 14 year old. Let it all out. One of the best tactics when making weak points and witty one-liners is to call the person who disagrees a toxic 14 year old troll.

    What parts of your comment did you want me to address further? The part where you made an analogy to soccer? Or the part where you misused the word diversity by attaching a completely different meaning to the word? Because you really addressed the issue there with strong, constructive, pertinent and decisive arguments consisting of style and substance. Well done.

    This isn't soccer. Diversity already has a true meaning and it isn't "how much your mind is challenged". Are we done?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by menace13 View Post
    Are we done?
    I fucking well hope so.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I agree with Julian's point regarding diversity, but I do have to wonder why Julian is replying to something from twenty pages ago.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meekrab View Post
    Best of luck casting Mandrils as a Zoo player against incidental maindeck graveyard hate.
    Seems like goyf is just as dead of a card against RiP, unless you just need a squire.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Over or Under. 27 Brainstorms in the top 8 of GP NJ.

    I'm going with the over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by testing32 View Post
    Over or Under. 27 Brainstorms in the top 8 of GP NJ.

    I'm going with the over.
    I'll bet on delver +4.5 over brainstorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iGrok View Post
    I'll bet on delver +4.5 over brainstorm.
    What lists do you see playing Delver but not Brainstorm?

    I see 28 Brainstorm and 20 Delver in the top 8.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by testing32 View Post
    Over or Under. 27 Brainstorms in the top 8 of GP NJ.

    I'm going with the over.
    Going with under, -3. Probably one Elves and one random non-blue gimmick deck in the top 8.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FieryBalrog View Post
    Going with under, -3. Probably one Elves and one random non-blue gimmick deck in the top 8.
    I'll disagree. These tournaments are longer than an SCG event. That means the non blue decks need even more luck than they normally would.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    My vote goes to 7/8 Brainstorm decks in the Top 8, and 13-14 BS decks in the Top 16, with Elves or random anti-blue decks taking the rest of the slots.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    For sure 1 of U/R goes 5-0 piloted by Sam Back which has really a lot of luck, fightning vs storm (Game 3 - Storm player has kill in hand even over FoW on play - and... he didnt draw initial mana for over 3 turns).

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