View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ubernostrum View Post
    I still think Mind Twist can come off the banned list. Yeah, it's obnoxious when someone fuels a huge turn-one Twist, but lots of things in Legacy are obnoxious if they resolve turn one, and Twist at least requires you to invest a bunch of cards to produce the mana to make it worthwhile.
    Yeah either it would be a bunch of rituals or a MUD-shell ramp. The rituals seem worse than just casting Empty the Warrens, so the MUD version is the most viable and doesn't seem broken.


    So actual Hermit Druid is probably a safe unban
    OopsAllSpells has to run a bad decklist with 0 lands to make it work. That seriously limits deck construction options and consistency (fewer initial mana sources than Belcher). The actual win condition is fairly compact, but it takes about 60% of the deck to be able to resolve a Balustrade Spy effect with 0 lands.

    Hermit Druid can be run in a deck with lands, found with Green Sun's Zenith, protected with cards like Force of Will or Thoughtseize... It doesn't need to be all-in. It works with normal Magic cards. You can cram it into a good Legacy shell and it reads "G, T: win the game" as long as you have dedicate a few slots to the win engine.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I personally don't think Hermit druid would break the format, but it's more likely to be broken than not so I can see why they would err on the safe side
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    It would be a rather odd UG Combo Tempo deck. I don't think it would be a lot of fun to play against consistency but I think it would be cool to see now and again.

    That's said, a top tier deck that can't run basics seems like pushing us back to the late DRS days. Where Lands and Red Stompy where looking to be top dogs. With Six in the format it might go that way anyway.

    I think the card is broken in half, but is that really uncommon these days?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I would love to see a fair dark ritual deck emerge. Plague engineer is pretty fucking sick
    I agree, but I don't think we need Dark Ritual to make Plague Engineer good. I think Nic-Fit could really streamline it's game plan into straight BG considering the recent new toys like the Elvish land tutor and Yawgmoth. I would play the shit out of Mind Twist Nic-Fit.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I personally don't think Hermit druid would break the format, but it's more likely to be broken than not so I can see why they would err on the safe side
    I play hermit druid in EDH, and I can tell you that it is pretty broken. The deck is able to fight off three other decks and come out the victor within the first few turns on a consistent basis. Granted you have access to some of the most broken tutors and such, I think a legacy port of the deck would still be busted good. - tutors + consistency and protection.

    Im sure the format could deal with it but it is very very resilient. I dont imagine it being healthy for the format either.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by apple713 View Post
    I play hermit druid in EDH, and I can tell you that it is pretty broken. The deck is able to fight off three other decks and come out the victor within the first few turns on a consistent basis. Granted you have access to some of the most broken tutors and such, I think a legacy port of the deck would still be busted good. - tutors + consistency and protection.

    Im sure the format could deal with it but it is very very resilient. I dont imagine it being healthy for the format either.
    Legacy also gets to play 4 ofs answers to combo decks. Lite I said, I think the format could deal with it, but I think they'd rather be safe about it
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I would play the shit out of Mind Twist Nic-Fit.
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    But those bad late-game topdecks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee View Post
    But those bad late-game topdecks...

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Legacy also gets to play 4 ofs answers to combo decks. Lite I said, I think the format could deal with it, but I think they'd rather be safe about it
    It's also worth mentioning that it is a 1 card combo. Additionally, Killing hermit druid is almost worse than letting him live because of hasted reanimation. RFGis just another hoop to jump through. See the list in my sig.


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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
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    Culling the Weak is pretty cool, I like the synergy.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Culling the Weak is pretty cool, I like the synergy.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Legacy also gets to play 4 ofs answers to combo decks. Lite I said, I think the format could deal with it, but I think they'd rather be safe about it
    Legacy also gets to play 4ofs protection, tutors, combo pieces, etc.


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    4 Force of Will
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    3 Thoughtseize
    3 Cabal Therapy
    1 Dread Return

    //Creatures: 19
    4 Noble Hierarch
    3 Tarmogoyf
    1 Scavenging Ooze
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    4 Narcomoeba
    1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Laboratory Maniac
    1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
    1 Angel of Glory's Rise

    //Lands: 18
    4 Misty Rainforest
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    3 Polluted Delta
    3 Tropical Island
    2 Bayou
    2 Underground Sea
    1 Dryad Arbor


    That doesn't look broken, but it's probably consistent enough to win through hate often.

    GB versions based around Shallow Grave might be more explosive, but less consistent.


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    1 Griselbrand

    //Spells: 21
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Entomb
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    4 Cabal Therapy
    4 Shallow Grave
    1 Dread Return

    //Mana: 19
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    i'd probably go with some mox diamond build with wren and six. this lets you cast a turn 1 druid with potential force backup. would be 4 colors, but in a deck that doesn't play basics i don't think it's an issue.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Announcement is on Monday, these are my predictions:

    Standard- no change
    Modern- Alter of Dementia banned, Stoneforge Mystic unbanned
    Legacy- Earthcraft and Mind Twist unbanned
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Announcement is on Monday, these are my predictions:

    Standard- no change
    Modern- Alter of Dementia banned, Stoneforge Mystic unbanned
    Legacy- Earthcraft and Mind Twist unbanned

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    I don’t think they’re gonna unban anything in legacy if they aren’t going to ban something. Seem to have a bit of a give and take attitude, and they wanna keep a stockpile of ‘goodies’ to feed us with.

    ....but hopefully, they’d unban frantic search. If I’m gonna hope, gotta hope big!


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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    After recently seeing a list of GB depth splashing Blue just for 4 Brainstorms and a stifle. I think we are at a point when BS must go.
    Also if Echos of Eons exist. Why not unban Memory Jar? Lets go for the big fuck up, instead of durdling with Earthcraft, Mind twist or Survival.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matsu View Post
    After recently seeing a list of GB depth splashing Blue just for 4 Brainstorms and a stifle. I think we are at a point when BS must go.
    Also if Echos of Eons exist. Why not unban Memory Jar? Lets go for the big fuck up, instead of durdling with Earthcraft, Mind twist or Survival.

    I really want something big for this summer.
    The BUG depths lists with BS and stifle have been around for awhile. Popularized by the guy who created the Topdecked app. Baxter something can't remember his name
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Stuart Baxter Lincoln III or something like that. Unsure about first name.

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