All B/R update speculation.

[DragoFireheart]

22 Lands (some configuration of Tundras and Underground seas with other lands)

4 Brainstorm
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Force of Will
2 Temporal Mastery
2 Terminus
1 Entreat the Angels
3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Snapcaster mage
1 Batterskull
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Lingering Souls
3 Spell Snare


This is of course me speculating a list that could use these miracle cards.

[Lord Seth]

At a local Legacy tournament someone told me that Wizards apparently said on Twitter that they were considering an emergency ban on one of the miracle cards (they said Wizards didn't specify which one). But dailymtg (that's the main Twitter account for Magic, right?) doesn't seem to have such a tweet. Did Wizards or a member of R&D say that somewhere else or was the claim that it was said incorrect? Can anyone confirm this?

[Lemnear]

At a local Legacy tournament someone told me that Wizards apparently said on Twitter that they were considering an emergency ban on one of the miracle cards (they said Wizards didn't specify which one). But dailymtg (that's the main Twitter account for Magic, right?) doesn't seem to have such a tweet. Did Wizards or a member of R&D say that somewhere else or was the claim that it was said incorrect? Can anyone confirm this?

There won't be an emergency ban. People who have not tested the miracle cards just piss their pants and heared the story about memory jar ... rest is the result of internet-rumor in which a "if it's too strong they may Ban it like Jar" becomes "they'll Ban it like Jar".

[majikal]

At a local Legacy tournament someone told me that Wizards apparently said on Twitter that they were considering an emergency ban on one of the miracle cards (they said Wizards didn't specify which one). But dailymtg (that's the main Twitter account for Magic, right?) doesn't seem to have such a tweet. Did Wizards or a member of R&D say that somewhere else or was the claim that it was said incorrect? Can anyone confirm this?

It wasn't on Twitter AFAIK. One of the guys at the WotC booth at PAX East said the red Miracle card would likely be banned in Legacy before it got out of hand.

[resum]

It wasn't on Twitter AFAIK. One of the guys at the WotC booth at PAX East said the red Miracle card would likely be banned in Legacy before it got out of hand.

But I want to reforge some souls :(

[DrJones]

Actually, he didn't say it was the red miracle. He said it was a nonblue miracle. There are a lot of reasons to believe it was reforge the souls, but he didn't specifically stated so.

[mrjumbo03]

If it's non-blue, it'd have to be either Reforge the Soul or Terminus.

[JDK]

If it's non-blue, it'd have to be either Reforge the Soul or Terminus.

Yep. I guess it's Reforge the Soul, given Smart Burns recent success.

[(nameless one)]

That's really unfortunate if it's Reforge the Soul because I can't wait for it in my MUD build.

[Bruticus]

I'm convinced it's Reforge the Souls. Why do they tease us so.

[joemauer]

I don't think it is reforge the soul. It is kind of tough to abuse in combo decks and most other decks can't or don't want to use this card. Not saying it is bad, but don't think the card is going to be widespread or broken enough to warrant a ban.

I think it is Terminus. Invalidating creatures swarms doesn't seem to be a good thing for legacy. Brainstorm sure will help it but Sensei's top will push this card over the top. Hiding in the top three cards until you need it is huge for a control deck. Being able to cast it for one mana is huge. Control decks often lose to swarms before reaching that magical four mana. It is easier to not worry about wasteland or daze when your sweeper is one mana. This card is huge. Control has long been repressed in the format, but this card may have been too aggressively costed.

@anyone comparing wrath of god to Terminus: Terminus does not trigger Bridge from the Below, Ignores Vengvines, and has no disadvantage against Reanimator. Also, it could potentially be cast on your opponents turn to trump haste creatures.

Terminus does all these things for the same mana cost of Swords to Plowshares.

The fact that WotC wants to push creatures(in all formats) befuddles me as to why they printed this non sense of a card.

[colo]

Terminus does seem totally insane. I expect it to wreak havoc on the format. Uw control will be nigh unbeatable unless Reforge the Soul breaks combo even more absurdly.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Reforge the Souls is absolutely insane in combo vs. Non-Blue decks, at the same time it gives blue decks even more chances to blow you out with FoW. For that reason I don't see it becoming a staple. Terminus is just stupid. I'm not going to say it's broken, it's just why the hell would they print that card?

[Erdvermampfa]

I've played with Terminus and I say it's a fair card.

[DragoFireheart]

I've played with Terminus and I say it's a fair card.

Deck list please. I don't believe you.

[CorpT]

Deck list please. I don't believe you.

That's really funny.

[TooCloseToTheSun]

Deck list please. I don't believe you.

That's really funny.

...hilarious

[Erdvermampfa]

// Lands
4 [OD] Island (4)
2 [US] Plains (3)
2 [B] Volcanic Island
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
3 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
4 [B] Tundra
3 [REW] Wasteland
1 [B] Plateau

// Creatures
3 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage

// Spells
4 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 [IA] Brainstorm
2 [AVR] Entreat the Angels
4 [FNM] Swords to Plowshares
4 [AL] Force of Will
3 [DIS] Spell Snare
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [AVR] Terminus
2 [FD] Engineered Explosives
3 [ZEN] Spell Pierce
2 [IA] Counterspell

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [M12] Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 [DS] Pulse of the Fields
SB: 3 [B] Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 [MOR] Vendilion Clique
SB: 3 [DK] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [NPH] Surgical Extraction


This has been doing well so far, especially against G/W Maverick of course. U/W Control decks really profit from Avacyn Restored I guess. While you have a cheap sweeper now that isn't that vulnerable to Daze (compared to Wrath, Terminus is also fine against Delver and Thresh), Entreat the Angels solves the issue of the too ponderous Win Condition because it can turn the board situation significantally when you've reached a sufficient land count. I feel that we might want to choose an approach with Entreat the Angels as the main Win Condition because Planeswalkers have been doing bad lately, mainly because of all that Burn and flash creatures. Nevertheless, my concern is that the list above lacks a bit of card advantage. I used to run 3 Ancestral vision in place of 1 Pierce and 2 Counterspell but found that cutting CS isn't very helpful and snapcaster mage evolves its full potential with these 1 mana counters. Also Ancestral Vision isn't that impressive neither except you run Time Walk in conjunction but Time Walk seems to be rather bad because we simply can't capitalize on the additional attack phase.

[DragoFireheart]

That's really funny.

If you guys can do it, why can't I?

I actually posted a deck list even though I never claimed to have played with the card. But nice try.

[DragoFireheart]

This has been doing well so far, especially against G/W Maverick of course. U/W Control decks really profit from Avacyn Restored I guess. While you have a cheap sweeper now that isn't that vulnerable to Daze (compared to Wrath, Terminus is also fine against Delver and Thresh), Entreat the Angels solves the issue of the too ponderous Win Condition because it can turn the board situation significantally when you've reached a sufficient land count. I feel that we might want to choose an approach with Entreat the Angels as the main Win Condition because Planeswalkers have been doing bad lately, mainly because of all that Burn and flash creatures. Nevertheless, my concern is that the list above lacks a bit of card advantage. I used to run 3 Ancestral vision in place of 1 Pierce and 2 Counterspell but found that cutting CS isn't very helpful and snapcaster mage evolves its full potential with these 1 mana counters. Also Ancestral Vision isn't that impressive neither except you run Time Walk in conjunction but Time Walk seems to be rather bad because we simply can't capitalize on the additional attack phase.

Alright... you didn't really convince me that it was unfair. Mostly what I see is that it's a "good card". Why do you feel that Terminus is not unfair? I could at least understand the argument for the Time Walk not being that great in a control shell because we can't abuse it as well as say, a combo deck. Something like Sneak&Show would rather have the exra turn as opposed to UW Landstill. I'm not seeing it for Terminus since:

A- Casting it for W isn't hard.

B- "Kills" many things that swords can't for the same amount of mana.

C- Can be done on your opponents turn ala top.