All B/R update speculation.

[Einherjer]

Show and Tell is lamb?

[jrw1985]

Why do I get the impression that the posters in this thread don't like playing Legacy?

[Einherjer]

*hidden*

[Julian23]

...sshhhh...stop talking about the new *hidden* list. We need it to stay under the radar. At least until GP Ghent.

[Einherjer]

...sshhhh...stop talking about the new *hidden* list. We need it to stay under the radar. At least until GP Ghent.

you are right! I won't do it again. See you at GP Ghent in the finals!

[Esper3k]

Looks like someone forgot the first rule of Fight Club.

Seriously though, I think in a format where the card pool is as broad as Legacy's things will eventually shake out and people will adapt to Show and Tell.

[Hanni]

I'm pretty sure RUG was Top 8'ng frequently before Griselbrand and this whole Show and Tell mania started. Show and Tell getting banned doesn't suddenly make RUG a bad deck, nor does it change the fact that it's still going to put players in the Top 8. I have no idea where you whiners get this stuff.

All I'm getting out of this conversation is that the Maverick players who were happy dominating tournaments worse than Flash did (7 out of 8 Maverick in Top 8, really?), are upset and butthurt now that they finally found a bad matchup, which still isn't an autoloss.

This topic is starting to get old. They need to unban Oath of Druids already, so you guys can whine about something else. At least with Oath, you have a legitimate reason to whine.

[joemauer]

All I'm getting out of this conversation is that the Maverick players who were happy dominating tournaments worse than Flash did (7 out of 8 Maverick in Top 8 really?), are upset and butthurt now that they finally found a bad matchup, which still isn't an autoloss.

If flash was legal during the Starcitygames tourney's, then you would have gotten to see a top eight of different flash decks. Flash wasn't really legal long enough to dominate.

[Star|Scream]

The problem is that the people who like Show & Tell type decks--decks that are "unfair" or revolve around just one card resolving to win--are the same ones who are calling others whiners. They want to win, and they really don't care how they do it. They don't care that a dozen other archetypes just got squelched. Adapt, they say! It's very spike of them. I guess it's just a philosophical difference.

[Esper3k]

The problem is that the people who like Show & Tell type decks--decks that are "unfair" or revolve around just one card resolving to win--are the same ones who are calling others whiners. They want to win, and they really don't care how they do it. They don't care that a dozen other archetypes just got squelched. Adapt, they say! It's very spike of them. I guess it's just a philosophical difference.

And how many decks did RUG and Maverick kill?

All this complaining about Show & Tell right now just seems like Chicken Little screaming the sky is falling. Wait until it puts up dominating numbers before starting to complain, IMO.

[Hanni]

I think you misinterpreted my point joemauer. I wasn't saying Flash wouldn't dominate Top 8's if it wouldn't have been banhammered immediately after the GP. I'm simply stating that Flash didn't put 7 out of 8 players into a Top 8 like Maverick did. No one was banhammer crying about that, so why all the crying about a deck that has yet to do anything close to dominating?

[Hanni]

Oh, and FYI StarScream, I don't play Show and Tell. I've never played with it, actually. But I have beaten it a lot. Then again, I'm good at adapting and metagaming. I am the 1% I guess.

[Arianrhod]

Hanni: it is simply the psychology. It's a combo deck. People really don't like losing to combo decks or feeling like combo decks are gaining an increased market share. It's fine that they exist, but they're not supposed to be dominant. Maverick and RUG are fine by most peoples' standards because they're "fair" decks. You at least get to feel like you're playing the game while you lose to them.

[csy]

I completely agree, I personally lost all my pet decks do to RUG and Mav. I think SnT is the perfect addition to this meta right now, and its in no way dominating anything.

[Star|Scream]

Oh, and FYI StarScream, I don't play Show and Tell. I've never played with it, actually. But I have beaten it a lot. Then again, I'm good at adapting and metagaming. I am the 1% I guess.

So you're saying that you are better than 99% of other magic players? Or are you saying that only 1% of legacy decks can beat SNT? Either way you're kind of solidifying the argument.



Are you playing that u/w entreat the angels deck?

[millerd33]

Show and Tell is no more broken then many other combo decks in the format. Give the meta a chance to adapt to the deck. Everything will be ok.

[Hanni]

I've designed, and play with, a lot of decks. Yes, UW Control happens to be one of them. Blue Sligh is another one of my favorites, as is The Mind Harvester (BUG Contgrol). Puresteel Affinity is another fun deck of mine, which does happen to have a fairly bad SNT matchup. UWb Esperblade is another fun one I enjoy. I mean really, I could go on and on. My point is that I don't play SNT, and I'm calling the "BAN SNT!" crowd whiners.

[Tao]

SnT is by now means the problem. SnT has no maindeck answers to stuff like Humility or even something stupid like Peacekeeper. Decks just have to adapt. The true problem card with the deck is, like always, Brainstorm. It makes the deck consistent enough because it trades multiple copies of one combo piece for fresh cards. If you take Brainstorm away, the deck will fall to its own draws often enough to make it fair. Pretty much like RUG Delver. They won't become bad decks, but it is really that one cards that makes them blatantly unfair.

[Star|Scream]

I've designed, and play with, a lot of decks. Yes, UW Control happens to be one of them. Blue Sligh is another one of my favorites, as is The Mind Harvester (BUG Contgrol). Puresteel Affinity is another fun deck of mine, which does happen to have a fairly bad SNT matchup. UWb Esperblade is another fun one I enjoy. I mean really, I could go on and on. My point is that I don't play SNT, and I'm calling the "BAN SNT!" crowd whiners.

Well that's not very nice :(

[Hanni]

I think the 99% joke went over your head.

Although, if you count all magic players, including casual and standard players, I probably am better at Legacy deckbuilding than 99% of the playerbase.

Since you missed the wallstreet joke though, I'm saying that most of the netdeck whiners (not saying that's what you are because I don't know you) suck horribly at adapting and metagaming.