Brainstorm
Force of Will
Lion's Eye Diamond
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Tarmogoyf
Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Goblin Lackey
Standstill
Natural Order
@ Earthcraft: The Sentinel is an example. You can substitute any 1cc Elf for and the Elf combo still works. Add Glimpse of Nature, and now you're 90% sure to win.
@ WGD: Buried Alive is still easy to cast. Careful Study. Read the Runes. Cabal Therapy. etc.
My experiences with these cards is on MTGO Classic, where the majority are not banned and are played from time to time. They aren't dominating... but Classic isn't known to be a competent player's format.
Right right but, traditionally, when someone says one-card-combo to stir concern they don't usually mean three-card-combo-that's-really-unlikely-to-pull-off-with-a-crap-draw-engine-like-Glimpse.
I suppose my point is that Earthcraft would probably be a blast in Legacy right now and would have little chance of truly dominating when all it takes to beat it is a CB out and a 1-drop on top of the deck (you know, apart from all the other easy avenues - that just happens to come to mind first.)
Um, what?
Oh no, combo? And really slow combo too? Good thing we can set up Counterbalance in time.
This is a reasonable card to keep banned.
That puts a creature into play, and is dependent on the graveyard. Who plays Breakfast anymore? Nobody.
Like Nightmare said, an actual Prison archetype would be great (and would be a nice foil to CB).
So it's a Diminishing Returns that costs 2 more and might net you 2 mana?
See Hermit Druid.
Earthcraft by itself is just like Sol Ring, crazy permanent mana acceleration. It just happens that it also comboes amazingly well with Glimpse-Elves, Squirrel's Nest, Wild Growth and Ant Queen. I think a first turn Wild Growth could perfectly enable 2nd turn Natural Order.
Ban Tendrils. Ban Goyf. Ban Brainstorm.
Unban WGD, Recruiter, Dream Halls, Black Vise, Land Tax, Earthcraft, Hermit Druid, Entomb, and Metal Worker.
It'd be fun, anyway.
For my confessions, they burned me with fire/
And found I was for endurance made
Unban Dream Halls
To expensive if you ask me.
Unban Earthcraft
to ugly, green has goyf and combo elves, lets leave it at that shall we?
Unban Entomb
Ichorid is allready a pest where I live, dont make it worse, also this would increase the amount of noobs that want to build a crappy reanimator deck that folds to STP and stuff
Unban Frantic Search
Like blue doesn't have enough cheap filtering as it is (don't care about spring tide)
Unban Goblin Recruiter
Basicly means: stack your deck in any order
Unban Grim Monolith
Would make MUD viable if we also got metalworker
Unban Gush
Make any land destruction spell obselete= not that good
Unban Hermit Druid
1card combo BUT: summoning sickness make's it OK I gues
Unban Illusionary Mask
Dreadnought is good enough as it is
Unban Land Tax
I'm cool with this, but the time issue comes to mind (lame reason actually)
Unban Metalworker
I would like to see MUD in legacy with staff of domination combo.
Unban Mind Twist
Needs 4 mana to make it better than hymn, seriously it's not that good
Unban Time Spiral
I had to use gatherer on this one: Free Draw7 = bad mojo
Unban Worldgorger Dragon
Seriously, what deck doesn't have an out against this stupid combo? maybe with entomb this could become Tier 2/3..
Goblin recruiter had better never get unbanned. It would warp the format so goddamn badly. Goblins would turn into a combo deck that can beat the ever loving shit out of you on turn 3, or, if that fails, just fall back to their old hobby of beating your brains in with little green men.
Fixed. CB/Top stops a lot of shenanigans. In terms of Elves - it's not terribly menacing. Vexing Shusher is a green creature for Summoner's Pact purposes, and Shusher beats CB-Top. You also have access to on-color removal for CB, so it's not a complete arguement saying that CB-Top alone beats Earthcraft-Elves. Point taken however. Same deal with Chalice of the Void.
As long as we're sharing crazy ideas, I still want to play with 4x Balance for three months.
YOU'RE GIVING ME A TIME MACHINE IN ORDER TO TREAT MY SLEEP DISORDER.
4x Black Vise
4x The Rack
4x Mishra's Factory
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Chain Lightning
4x Ball Lightning
4x Balance
4x Ankh of Mishra
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Wheel of Fortune
1x Mind Twist
1x Timetwister
1x Time Walk
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Sol Ring
4x Stripmine
3x City of Brass
4x Volcanic Island
4x Plateau
Oh, those were the days.
Nothing is going to be changed, because nothing warrants a change. Even though I'd love to see Dream Halls being unbanned. What is the last card we ever got unbanned?
I think only Parallax Wave got errata. I agree that it should be restored to its printed wording, and it's very weird that it escaped the Hunt for Power-Level Errata while a comparatively obscure card like Flash didn't. More evidence for Gottlieb's substance abuse, I guess.
Either way, I don't think it warrants an immediate ban. Parallax Wave + Opalescence (and a cursory search doesn't show better options) means a freaking total of 2WW + 2WW to get a combo that doesn't immediately win you the game, although it gets close, and can be foiled by Krosan Grip or Pithing Needle. That's rather less scary than Painter/Grindstone.
YOU'RE GIVING ME A TIME MACHINE IN ORDER TO TREAT MY SLEEP DISORDER.
This isn't significantly better than what Elves! currently does with Birchlore Rangers and Heritage Druid. Besides, Elves! is a bad deck. Why would it be bad for the format to make it better?
How would making Spring Tide and Reanimator better decks be bad for the format?
I may have misspoke on this one, but is this really more broken than Goblin Lackey? It's nuts with Food Chain, but I have a hard time believing Food Chain Goblins will wreck the format.
...that requires you to wait a turn with a 1/1 in play. Also it's vulnerable to every form of hate in the format. I think it could come off the list.
It might make Stax viable. Oh no!
TEPS? That Mind's Desire combo deck from Extended? You do know Mind's Desire is banned in Legacy.
I don't think Ichorid would run Entomb. What are you going to do, put a dredger in your yard with it?
Land destruction spells are already obsolete.
Illusionary Mask doesn't really make it better.
Time Spiral is only a free draw seven if you have six lands in play.
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