View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    How do people here feel about Brainstorm in general? I for one think it needs to be banned. Then again, not banning it might also be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post
    How do people here feel about Brainstorm in general? I for one think it needs to be banned. Then again, not banning it might also be fine.
    ^^ Troll level: Stinky-Dinky

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You make it sound like that would be a bad thing, considering Terminus and S&T are two of the main oppressive forces in the format stifling innovation.
    Could you choose a seat at a given time? You vote for a guaranteed reduction of playable archetypes on your crusade for potentially more diversity (reads: non-blue decks) at the same time. This is only a topic of color and a badly disguised one also. We can see how that logic ended up by looking at Vintage or Modern.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You make it sound like that would be a bad thing, considering Terminus and S&T are two of the main oppressive forces in the format stifling innovation.
    What does terminus keep out of the format that can't also be explained by Batterskull?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds View Post
    What does terminus keep out of the format that can't also be explained by Batterskull?
    The difference is that Batterskull can be "stopped" at least ealry on by bolting or Swordsing the Stoneforge Mystic. Don't get wrong, I've played Zoo and BSkull can be tough as hell to beat at times, but it's a lot easier to deal with than Terminus simply because things like Pridemage and such exist as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    The difference is that Batterskull can be "stopped" at least ealry on by bolting or Swordsing the Stoneforge Mystic. Don't get wrong, I've played Zoo and BSkull can be tough as hell to beat at times, but it's a lot easier to deal with than Terminus simply because things like Pridemage and such exist as well.
    Speaking as someone who plays an aggro deck in Legacy... Batterskull can be easily managed by removal and/or simply playing bigger guys, sometimes with First Strike.

    When an opponent wipes out your entire board with one white mana, at instant speed, there's very little you can do to get back in the game, short of drawing alot of cards and hoping he bricks on drawing Jace.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds View Post
    What does terminus keep out of the format that can't also be explained by Batterskull?
    Batterskull can be interacted with

    a) removal for the SFM before it gets BS into play
    b) well-timed artifact removal.

    Both which are available more easily in different colors than trying to deal with a Super-Wrath for potentially .

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    You vote for a guaranteed reduction of playable archetypes on your crusade for potentially more diversity (reads: non-blue decks) at the same time.
    By that logic, you couldn't ban any card ever. Just because a deck exists doesn't necessarily mean that it's an healthy influence on the format.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    ........

    It's the single most opressive card in Legacy.
    Come off it Julian. You know you're a Miracles player at heart. The Counterbalance has shown you its love. Reciprocate.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by YamiJoey View Post
    Come off it Julian. You know you're a Miracles player at heart. The Counterbalance has shown you its love. Reciprocate.
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  10. #11250

    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You make it sound like that would be a bad thing, considering Terminus and S&T are two of the main oppressive forces in the format stifling innovation.
    That's what happens when people think in terms of decks and not cards. They get attached to a deck (probably because they've never built one). When you look at cards, and card power level it becomes much clearer what cards should be banned with respect to some of the road apples on the current banned list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You make it sound like that would be a bad thing, considering Terminus and S&T are two of the main oppressive forces in the format stifling innovation.
    Not to mention S&T decks being the marquee, Tier One combo archetype of Legacy is awful. Paying hundreds or thousands of dollars into a format to face herp-derp A+B combo that wins off of a bunch of stupidly designed (and rather overpowered @ 2U) cards like Omniscience or Spaghetti Monster? That's not something most people are going to be interested in.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamaican Zombie Legend View Post
    Not to mention S&T decks being the marquee, Tier One combo archetype of Legacy is awful. Paying hundreds or thousands of dollars into a format to face herp-derp A+B combo that wins off of a bunch of stupidly designed (and rather overpowered @ 2U) cards like Omniscience or Spaghetti Monster? That's not something most people are going to be interested in.
    Given that OmniTell has some fundamental and obvious weaknesses rooting in its nature which needs to be exploited in order to beat the deck, the point is that if DTT + Omniscience + S&T + Emrakul becomes the supreme mechanism to win in Legacy, WotC WILL step in with the chopblock. As long as there's an open competition between Miracles, OmniTell, Storm, D&T, Elves and Blade, WotC rightfully sees to reason to intervene
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuke is Good View Post
    It's availability would prevent it from being omnipresent in decks as well. Though...I'd have to buy another 3 seals.
    I mean, the only way the could possibly justify unbanning (and one of the big reasons I am a fan of it) is if there was a reprint coming down the pipe. Judge Promo, FTV: Tutors, something...
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Return aggro, unban skullclamp
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by swoop View Post
    Return aggro, unban skullclamp
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by swoop View Post
    Return aggro, unban skullclamp
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    It's not death rite shaman 5-8, but it's okay ;)
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by swoop View Post
    Return aggro, unban skullclamp
    As someone who played with Skullclamp in Standard (let alone the current Legacy card pool), No.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by swoop View Post
    Return aggro, unban skullclamp
    At this point I'm all for any unbans that hurt the blue shell, no matter how absurd. Too bad Workshop is on the reserved list.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Unban necro

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