Brainstorm
Force of Will
Lion's Eye Diamond
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Tarmogoyf
Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Goblin Lackey
Standstill
Natural Order
Brainstorm ban =|= FoW ban
Belcher wasn't a problem when blue decks were at 52% in 2011.
How much would the blue deck percentage in the meta have to decrease for glasscannon combo to actually become a problem? I doubt the blue penetration would dip even close into the 50% range without Brainstorm.
People making the hysterical, sky-is-falling, "glass cannon combo" argument have a terrible understanding of history. I used to play SI all the time in 2010-2011, and the deck was held in check by its own instability just as much as by blue decks (and the prevalence of discard). People forget that very little has been printed to make glass cannon decks better in the last few years, while other strategies in Legacy have continually increased in power level. The lack of Brainstorm wouldn't change any of those dynamics.
I agree, blue is still the most powerful color in legacy even post-brainstorm ban. And regardless of blue, glass cannon decks are just a general nuisance, not something worth planning the format around - that was more my point. If they became too much of one, that's not an impossible problem to solve.
I'm well familiar with this, having played a fair bit of High Tide in the past. I wouldn't cast Time Spiral if I could win without it, but I wouldn't hesitate to cast it if I did need it. And it rarely ever lost after resolving one.
Legacy - not Vintage. You'll note that DTT actually doesn't see play in Legacy Storm.
It can be very hard to cast DTT on turn two, or to cast more than one on a single (early) turn. But this is exactly what Storm decks will want to do if they could get their hands on Wheel.
If you honestly are saying Wheel Of Fortune could be unbanned and not give a massive boost to Storm, I'll trade a LED for whatever it is you're smoking..
Eh? I've been talking about cards which are banned in Legacy. How those cards fare in EDH, Vintage, or Rainbow Stairwell is of little consequence.
Seems to me Miracles is not dominant and is quite beatable by other tier decks. On what evidence is the miracle mechanic broken?
Last edited by Crimhead; 09-03-2015 at 12:47 AM.
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Absolutely. It seems every set now has a graveyard hoser at the price of a whopping one or two mana. The grave-hate comes in all forms (creature, artifact or enchantment). As oppressive as these decks can be wheres the new hate for decks that draw like a million cards a game.
I don't know about you guys, but this is kind of getting ridiculous (data fetched from TCDecks):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7d...ew?usp=sharing
Last edited by Nielsie; 09-02-2015 at 11:33 PM.
Your graph lacks a Y-axis.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I only trust TCDeck data during the month, because after the month is over, it seems that the "most played card" section isn't updated properly anymore, while still adding decks to the Top 8 section, resulting in a way lower meta penetration than reality for all cards.
It makes no fucking sense that Brainstorm hovers around 80% usage during every month (where both sections are updated properly) while dropping lower after the month is over. Brainstorm was ~79% meta penetration at the end of July, now with the added tournament results added to July until mid-August, it suddenly dropped to 66.2% - just what? Which is especially suspicious that we're at 80% Brainstorm usage again for August at the end of the month - I expect a massive drop in Brainstorm % until mid-September.
We're currently at 229 decks/744 BS at the time I write this post - let's see how those numbers change when we have mid-September.
Edit: I'll also track the events that are currently reported compared to those which get added later. Hopefully this reveals the cause of the repeated discrepancies every month.
13 of 16 at the latest SCG ... Survival couldn't even beat that
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=17954
SCG Charlotte before that was ... drum roll 13 of 16 ... yay mental misstep level uniformity
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=17907
Champs was 22 of 32
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=17901
also telling I don't even have to look at lists anymore ... I already know at least 12 cards in all of them. What a pathetic format.
Oh shoot, in my haste I cropped too much. It's 5am in the morning for me and need some sleep... I fixed the image
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7d...ew?usp=sharing
That's not true, or at least not true the way my data is generated. I fetch all the most played cards for each month and than I fetch how many decks they have for each month. This way I can generate my percentages. In my last Excel 06/2015 had BS at 69.73% my current data reports 69.52%. All the other months are pretty much the same too like 05/2015 had 76.15% to current 76,15%
While the effort to visualize the data is nice, it doesn't really show meta penetration, but "dominance", as MTGGoldfish calls it. The graph is only accurate for Brainstorm since everybody runs 4 copies, which isn't necessarily true for other cards, especially DTT.
Paper numbers in use are most likely extremely close to Online numbers, so use these to get the actual meta penetration for Paper:
- Wasteland: Going to leave this one out due to the scarcity factor online
- Brainstorm stays the same: 81.2%
- Ponder goes from 63.9% to 69.0%
- FoW goes from to 77.2% to 83.4% (I guess Merfolk is the main culprit here for the higher number than Brainstorm? )
- DTT goes from 34.9% to 55.9%
Obviously there's some room for error, but the graph drastically underplays the role of DTT in the meta. The adjustments get the number also much closer to the number of the Online meta.
Let's make an agreement to splash blue in EVERY deck for Brainstorm for the next GP. Then Wizards will notice.
Brainstorm Goblins, Brainstorm Belcher, Brainstorm Death and Taxes, Brainstorm MUD, Brainstorm Merfolk, Brainstorm Dragon Stompy! The splashing possibilities are endless!
Brainstorm has a ridiculously low opportunity cost compared to its power. More news at 11.
If the blue splash had more to offer than just Brainstorm and a bunch of mediocre cards blue card that don't really solve its problems, D&T would probably run it as well. For now, the red splash is probably stronger.
And jrsthethird's list misses Brainstorm Elves - gotta put those NO targets back into the library.
But Brainstorm makes finding those red cards so much easier!
A more complete list:
Brainstorm Nic Fit
Brainstorm Deadguy Ale
Brainstorm Junk
Brainstorm Jund
Brainstorm Spanish Inquisition
Brainstorm Lands
Brainstorm Dredge
Brainstorm Enchantress
Brainstorm Sylvan Plug
Brainstorm Oops All Spells
Brainstorm Maverick
Brainstorm Pox
Brainstorm Manaless Dredge
Brainstorm Rock
Brainstorm Cure
Brainstorm Quinn
Brainstorm Parfait
Brainstorm Gate
Brainstorm Eggs
Brainstorm Zoo
Brainstorm Stax
Brainstorm Burn
Brainstorm Eva Green
Brainstorm Daretti
Brainstorm Zombardment
Brainstorm Angel Stompy
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