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We are now free to once again go nuts with Parallax Wave/Tide + Opalescence silliness. It seems pretty slow for the modern format and a lot more complicated than just resolving Moat, but I think it's still worth asking -- is there any chance that it can fit in somewhere?
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Cool, but probably meaningless for us. I'd love to eat my words, though.
They already comboed with Stifle, which is already a lot better on its own than any of the other stuff people are suggesting, and saw next to no play, so I doubt there'll be much impact.
Hey, cdr, is there a way for us to get infinitely recurring Tide? Like, does that thing in your sig work now?
About time. Also you can remove thing from the game for the entire game.
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As someone who wasn't around for it, would someone mind explaining the Parallax Wave errata? I don't quite understand it.
This is Parallax Wave:
This is Parallax Wave's current Oracle text:
This means, that if you have a card likeFading 5 (This enchantment enters the battlefield with five fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Remove a fade counter from Parallax Wave: Exile target creature if Parallax Wave is on the battlefield.
When Parallax Wave leaves the battlefield, each player returns to the battlefield all cards other than Parallax Wave he or she owns exiled with Parallax Wave.
Parallax Wave can remove itself from the game, along with creatures like
However, with the current errata, Parallax Wave itself doesn't come back. If this errata is removed, you can draw your library for instance in an endless loop.
Ofcourse this combo is more clunky than
Which rarely sees play, because it's... well... clunky.
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Sure, all that, Skeggi. But also, in my recollection the rules allowed you to remove the opponents' creatures and Disenchant it with the activations on the stack for a permanent removal. It was "too powerful" an effect back in the day and received power-level errata that we have been waiting to see removed since Flash.
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This part!Fading 5 (This enchantment enters the battlefield with five fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Remove a fade counter from Parallax Wave: Exile target creature if Parallax Wave is on the battlefield.
When Parallax Wave leaves the battlefield, each player returns to the battlefield all cards other than Parallax Wave he or she owns exiled with Parallax Wave.
It means that you can remove Eternal Witness from game, let that trigger resolve. Then use the remaining 4 counters to remove the opposing creatures, triggers on stack you bounce the wave. Witness comes back, gets back the bounce spell, opponents creatures become exiled. Combo for only 3UGGWW!
So yeah, I ran this sort of combo (with stifle and parallax wave/tide) in a version of Angel Stompy a while back. The difference now is that it's now doable with disenchant as well. So you can pay one more mana for it!
Do I think this is going to matter at all? Not so much. I'm a good deck designer and those decks lost their competitiveness a long time ago. But let me tell you, during GP: Columbus (with Flash legal), any deck with Stifle rocked. As for Opalescense, even if it was legal, I think it'd still fall into the "bad" range.
So now we basically have one-sided Armageddon for 2UU ???
That would be ridiculous...
I think I am missing something...
No because it cant remove itself as the top trigger of the stack.So now we basically have one-sided Armageddon for 2UU ???
That would be ridiculous...
I think I am missing something...
I c h o r i d - my anti blue
Manaless Ichorid- At least its cheeper than standard.
We admit for the sake of the exercise that following is true:
Landstill > Fromat
Non-Basic Hate > Landstill
Basics > Non-Basic Hate
We can therefore logically conlude that
Basics > Format
Hm, you are right... I thought it leaves play as soon as the last counter is removed.
why was the former wording then worded:
Remove a fade counter from Parallax Tide: Exile target land if Parallax Tide is on the battlefield.
(I guess the bold was the power-level-errata)
and the new one misses that "if ~ is on the battlefield"?
Gottlieb only explains the combo between Wave and Opalescence.
Was there a powerful one with Tide, too, which led to its errata?
Umm, yes. Armageddon is 3W and requires one card. Parallax Tide with stifle (which was already legal) is 2UUU and requires two cards. Parallax Tide with anything else (say disenchant) only raises that cost. It's 5 mana at least, and it's not winning you the game...
Formerly, disenchanting didn't work because of that if clause. When the ability resolved, Tide was gone and therefor didn't remove anything from the battlefield. Now it will.
If you're removing less than 5 land, then you can also use parralax tide to recycle your own untapped lands (This doesn't work with stifle.). There's potential for janktastic interactions with high tide and oblivion ring.
Because if you find a way to get rid of the enchantment as the top of the stack, it's leaves play ability triggers and then the fading/exiling resolves but they never return. So to stop that kind of trick, they added that the enchantment should be in play when resolving the fading/exiling in order to keep what I'm guessing is the original intent of the card.
It can be part of the same combo. Tide would be a creature and Wave would remove it.
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This + pridemage maby? I dont know how good that is but it seems like it could be playable because even removing 4 is still golden.
I c h o r i d - my anti blue
Manaless Ichorid- At least its cheeper than standard.
We admit for the sake of the exercise that following is true:
Landstill > Fromat
Non-Basic Hate > Landstill
Basics > Non-Basic Hate
We can therefore logically conlude that
Basics > Format
Tide + Ankh + 5 Lands still = 10 damage.
Turbo Ankh anyone?
You must wait until you opponent has 5 lands. This is a lot in Legacy vs some decks
Obviously you want to use these with Ring of Gix, right?
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