I've been really low on Library for quite a while, I cut it some time last year. The format feels too fast and efficient for it and we have so much raw power in the deck the CA isn't needed I think. VS Miracles I'd prefer to be attacking them with Planeswalkers and hard to answer threats like TNN or Leovold.
Yeah- it would be in addition to the threats included- just finding the spot is challenging
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I made top eight at the BoM Eternal Weekend yesterday. The deck was great all day, really feel like it has game vs everything.
It was a cut to 16, I lost to Elves in the Quarters after an unfortunate mull to 5 and got brainstorm locked on one land.
2-1 vs BR Reanimator
2-1 vs Shardless
2-0 vs 4c Control
2-0 vs Goblins
1-1 vs Shardless
2-1 vs Grixis Delver
1-2 vs Cloudpost Eldrazi
2-0 vs BUG Delver (Goose and Stifle)
2-0 vs RUG Delver
2-0 vs Food Chain
1-2 vs Elves
Decklist
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 True-Name Nemesis
2 Leovold, Emissary of trest
2 Jace, the mind sculptor
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's jitte
1 Sword of fire and ice
4 Force of will
4 Daze
4 Brainstorm
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Swords to plowshares
3 Tropical island
2 Tundra
2 undegrround Sea
1 Scrubland
4 Flooded strand
4 Polluted delta
1 Misty rainforest
3 Wasteland
Sideboard
2 Flusterstorm
2 Thoughtseize
3 Meddling mage
2 Surgical extraction
1 Gideon, ally of zendikar
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Invasive Surgery
2 Zealous persecution
I've got sb tables written down, can post them a bit later if people would like.
I was about to post that someone top 16'd with your list- but congrats on it being you! I am running something very similar for the scg next weekend.
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congrats, how are your miracles matchups?
-rob
Thanks! Will put the tables tonight, hopefully get some more discussion on this deck going :)
Thanks! Good luck on the weekend, what are the differences you're playing?
It's OK. I'd like think we're favoured a bit, but in reality it can be tough. Pyroblast/REB is very good against the deck so we can fall behind in tempo with those and Snapcasters sometimes, and Jace is a problem if we have no board presence. Currently two Thoughtseizes are being sided in which I don't like at all so there are some improvements to be made.
Here's some sideboarding tables, feel free to ask questions or critique! I'm still unsure on a few things myself. Some are not clear cut either, vs Miracles you'll need to judge if they're the kind of player to board out CB vs you, and some Delver variants differ etc. But in general these have felt right.
Spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...KcI/edit#gid=0
Predict/Entreat the Angels Miracles:
-1 Abrupt Decay
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Daze
-2 Noble Hierarch
-1 Umezawa's Jitte
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Invasive Surgery
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
If you suspect Mentor from the SB leave in the Jitte over another Hierarch.
Mentor Miracles:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-4 Noble Hierarch
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
BUG Shroud:
-3 Abrupt Decay
-2 Swords to Plowshares
+2 Zealous Persecution
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Flusterstorm
If seen Mandrils, keep 2 StP over a Jace and Jitte.
Food Chain:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Force of Will
-2 Daze
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Thoughtseize
+1 Vendilion Clique
Aluren:
-2 Force of Will
-1 Abrupt Decay
-1 Daze
+3 Meddling Mage
+1 Vendilion Clique
Burn:
-2 Jace
-4 TNN
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Invasive Surgery
+2 Meddling Mage
BR Reanimator:
-4 Stoneforge Mystic
-4 True-Name Nemesis
-1 Batterskull
-1 Umezawa's Jitte
-1 Sword of Fire and Ice
-1 Tropical Island
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Flusterstorm
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Invasive Surgery
+1 Vendilion Clique
Lands:
-3 Daze
-4 Stoneforge Mystic
-1 Batterskull
-1 Jitte
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Surgical Extraction
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
+2 Invasive Surgery
+3 Meddling Mage
Infect:
-4 True-Name Nemesis
-2 Jace
-1 Sword of Fire and Ice
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Zealous Persecution
+1 Vendilion Clique
Elves:
-4 Daze
-4 Deathrite Shaman
-1 Sword of Fire and Ice
-2 Jace
+2 Invasive Surgery
+2 Thoughtseize
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Zealous Persecution
+2 Flusterstorm
Show and Tell:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Abrupt Decay
-3 True-Name Nemesis
-1 Umezawa's Jitte
-1 Batterskull
-4 Stoneforge Mystic
+2 Invasive Surgery
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Thoughtseize
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Surgical Extraction
Storm:
-3 Abrupt Decay
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Umezawa's Jitte
-4 True-Name Nemesis
-2 Stoneforge Mystic
+2 Surgical Extraction
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Invasive Surgery
Shardless:
-4 Force of Will
+2 Invasive Surgery
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Eldrazi:
-2 Leovold
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Czech Pile/4c Control:
-4 Force of Will
-2 Abrupt Decay
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Zealous Persecution
Grixis Delver
-2 Jace
-2 Force of Will
-2 Daze
+2 Zealous Persecution
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
+1 Vendilion Clique
BUG Delver (Hymn):
-4 Force of Will
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
+2 Flusterstorm
Death and Taxes:
-2 Force of Will
-4 Daze
+2 Zealous Persecution
+2 Thoughtseize
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Moon Stompy:
-2 Leovold
+2 Thoughtseize
Painter:
-2 Leovold
-2 Jace
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Surgical Extraction
UR Delver:
-2 Jace
+2 Flusterstorm
Tin Fins:
-4 True-Name Nemesis
-2 Jace
-1 Sword of Fire and Ice
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Thoughtseize
+2 Surgical Extraction
+1 Vendilion Clique
Congratulations Whitefaces. Great result! As a Stoneblade/Deathblade player coming out of his 2 year retirement I want to try this deck for the next events I participate in. I pretty much would sleeve up the list you played (need to squeeze a containment priest into that sideboard, though (metacall)). I have a question about the dazes in your sideboard plan:
I am not used to play with daze, but i learned from other players that siding out the dazes on the draw is often the right plan. Do you keep the dazes even on the draw? It seems that siding out the dazes would reduce the amount of blue cards too much to have enough pitchables for FoW.
Also, for the matchups in which you side in Meddling Mage: Which are the specific cards you want to name? Most of them seem to be obvious, but i never played with meddling mage and my knowledge of the archetypes is rusty/probably outdated.
Thx
Thanks! Please report back how you get along. Containment Priest was the last card to get cut from the sideboard as I needed one more card for the Storm matchup, which was the third Meddling Mage. So definitely a good inclusion if it'll be good in your meta.
Yeah, I keep in Dazes vs almost everything, they're pretty key to the deck and work especially well with all the mana dorks since you don't fall behind as much as you usually would. Since the deck can slam 'must answer' threats in SfM, TNN, Leo, Jace etc, having free interaction can be backbreaking. I'll say with confidence that Daze was the best card in the deck for me at Eternal Weekend. You also get an edge that this deck still isn't on everyones radar. And as you correctly point out, the blue count is very low so they're necessary for FoW too.
Aside from that, I feel like people board out Dazes and Forces because they're 'meant to' much too much. You have to pay attention to the opponent too. I keep in two Daze vs Miracles generally, but if they seem like they don't know the deck after game 1 and haven't seen it, I might keep a third in. Or if they play around it game 1 I'll side out another, or maybe both.
For Meddling Mage, it will be very context dependent, but some rough guide would be
Food Chain:
This one will really depend on what the game is like, but you probably name Walking Ballista first as that can kill MM. Food Chain and Misthollow Griffin are reasonable too. If you get multiple down, naming Abrupt Decay can be too to protect the first one.
Aluren:
Normally name Cavern Harpy, then Abrupt Decay.
Burn:
Mage isn’t great in this matchup, but if they suspend a Rift Bolt you can name that and they can’t cast it. If you have a SfM live, name Smash to Smithereens to protect Batterskull. Otherwise Price of Progress.
BR Reanimator:
Again, quite game dependant, especially what other kind of disruption you have. If you have a DRS, probably name Exhume or Collective Brutality (esp this if you have Surgical in hand and no countermagic). Entomb or Reanimate are good to name if they are shorter on mana and you have soft disruption like Daze and Fluster. If you have Invasive Surgery in hand name Animate Dead.
Lands:
And again, really depends. If you are relying on Dorks and can’t disrupt Punishing Fire, name that. Gamble or Loam are usual names too.
Elves:
Usually Natural Order or Glimpse of Nature.
Show and Tell:
The deck has a lot more ways to counter SnT than Sneak Attack, so unless your hand is weak to the SnT name Attack. If they’re on the Omni version name SnT. After that name Cunning Wish.
Storm:
Usually Tendrils of Agony.
I like naming infernal tutor with mage vs storm- but can see tendrils
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TSmiley, how's the SCG Open going?
HJ_Kaiser just went 5-0 with 3 Winter Orbs in the sideboard, nice idea! I'll have to try them. - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/612032#online
I also ran the deck through another league (same list as Eternal Weekend) and went 5-0 vs DnT, Aluren, Eldrazi, Shardless and Infect.
Finished 77th cut to day two went to 70th. Didn't play particularly tight but with the way the matches played out it easily could have been 8-1, 7-2.
Round 1 miracles won 2-0
Round 2 ub reanimator won 2-0
Round 3 death and Taxes won 2-0
Round 4 death and Taxes won 2-0
Round 5 death and Taxes loss 1-2
Mulled each game and lost two tight ones.
Round 6 elves loss 2-0
Didn't mulligan aggressively enough and made a bad line in game two
Round 7 eldrazi win 2-1
Round 8 miracles loss 1-2
Had opponent at 6 with no top and my Gideon, leovold and drs, he drew entreat, entreat, have bounce drs to live at 2. Prolly could have done something different but his natural draws at the end were pretty brutal.
Round 9 burn win 2-1
Deck is great, I played stifle and a slightly different sideboard- but things could have gone a lot better.
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The have was supposed to be jace, and he was empty handed on those three draw steps- it was pretty savage.
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I like the idea of winter orb- I'll have to check out what gets cut from the sb to figure out if I want to try it!
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I haven't gotten to play against this the new 4c control (BUGR) deck. Anyone have experience with this matchup? Insight would be appreciated.
That's a massive shame about those losses Thomas, after such a good start. Those kind of games vs Miracles can be so tilting.
I've only played it once at Eternal Weekend, but it felt very good for us. TNN is a big problem for them, as is Stoneforge Mystic. Just be careful of Kolaghan's Command.
I boarded like this.
-4 Force of Will
-2 Abrupt Decay
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Zealous Persecution
But that's a very small sample size, if anybody has some more insight that'd be nice.
We've finally got a name on MTGGoldfish (Bant Deathblade)! Two more 5-0s yesterday, and Thomas Leger came 26th at the SCG open - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/613132#paper
One thing I'm noticing in a lot of peoples sideboards, there's a large amount of fair cards. Garruk Relentless, extra Decay, Pithing Needle etc. I don't think this works well for SBing tables against combo. While working out my current SB, I had the two dedicated slots for Sweepers and TNN (Zealous Persecution), then could only give one slot to fair matchups (Gideon) as we have so many weak cards in the MD (SfM, TNN, StP, Decay, Jace etc). This probably means people are leaving in subpar cards after board.
hi everyone,
It´s been a long time without posting, but I made some top´s with BANT.I also tried other decks like Food chain or 4c nemesis delver but Bant keeps beening the strongest one IMO
@TSmiley can you post your last deck list? the one with stifles?
Congratz @Whitefaces for your recent top
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