I have a couple of old (3-4 years I suppose) purple-colored Dragonshields at home. I use Perfect Size and those Dragonshields. This combination seems to be made for each other. It's too bad Dragonshields quality decreased.
Also tried out KMC orange and matte blue. The orange ones usually split every second game. The matte ones are OK but not too easy to shuffle.
So I think I will stick to my purple Dragonshields. I would not recommend buying white ones though, because they do not last too long.
A friend of mine uses KMC matte black and perfect size. He is pretty satisfied with them but always wonders why those purple Dragonshields shuffle that good
I've heard something about doubling up on KMC sleeves, like putting matte's in supers or something like that. Figured this would be the place for clarification.
Originally Posted by ktkenshinx
The doubling up of sleeves is best done with the KMC perfect fits inside of almost anything else. I prefer KMC perfect fit inside of Dragon shields for my vintage deck. The only downside is finding a deck box big enough as it makes your deck about 20-30% thicker.
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I find that the Dragon Shield deckboxes are big enough, at least for a double-sleeved 60 card deck and SB. I've currently got a 105 card Highlander (normal sleeved though) and there's still more than a centimeter of space. They're also made from hard plastic, so they shouldn't break immediately.
KMC black Matte + KMC perfect size for all my decks
hard to shuffle but last long Larg deck though ... Needs 1 box for deck and 1 for the side
I have a set of red Ultra Pros that I bought in 1999 that are still going strong. They're too nicked up to use for a GP or anything, but they're still good for FNM and other local fare.
Remember when buying shiny sleeves that silver and gold are not allowed in formal tournaments for fear that one can cheat using their reflective surfaces; I don't know if that's an issue with other gloss sleeves, but I stick with matte just to be safe.
On a lighter note, decorative sleeves are always fun.
KMC Matte Dark Blue by far the best quality. They are better than the KMC Matte Black by quite a margin.
After that I prefer the Dragon shields Pink and then Dragon shields Black and Gold.
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Kmc Matte Blue. Use it quite some time now and was never dissatisfied with them. I don't use Perfect Size anymore, I hate shuffling big decks.
KMC Matte Black.
I tried some Dragon Shields about a year ago and didn't have issues with breakage, but they come out of the box with all the corners warped down, which makes them tougher to shuffle and causes corners to get bent. They also felt like they were cut bigger than the KMCs, and just seemed a bit loose and clunky. Worst of all, after one small tournament they were so scuffed up that you could tell the difference between my deck and sideboard from across the room. Matte finish is way better because the difference between heavily played sleeves and newer ones isn't as huge, so you don't have to worry about re-sleeving the entire deck if just one breaks.
KMC Matte sleeves don't seem to shuffle as nicely as KMC Super sleeves do. I have had less splits with supers. That being said, they are shiny.
I did get a box of Ultra Pro sleeves at a shop once that are plain matte white. They shuffle brilliantly. I find that strange, as Ultra Pro are usually crap.
Max Protect 'tournament sleeves' are a joke.
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KMC are crap like never, I destroyed ten of them in fourteen days, they don't glide.
Anything else is crap nonetheless, the only sleeves I somehow like are UltraPro Textured Granite... not that they has same backs all the time, of course. Because, you know... it's a rocket science to make sleeves and we don't live in 21 century.
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I desperately tried to find sleeves that work best for me over the last few months.
Trying: Dragon Shields (all except the brown ones), UltraPro whites, black, blue and yellow, KMC (all matte ) Black, Blue and Red.
The red and black KMC's tend to get that dirty look fast and the red ones especially are getting ripped faster than other KMC's.
Blue work fine, are good to shuffle and stay clean for awhile.
UltraPro white, black and blue get dirty fast and the corners are bending too strong, although they stay clean longer than the KMCs.
Yellows are actually great. The shuffling meter says mediocre, but the sleeves don't rip and stay quite clean. (I use those for a foil dredgedeck)
Dragon Shields are great but as some said the quality is degenerating. The pink shields bhought a year or so ago go still strong. Shuffling is A+ but they got some unclean look (although they don't look dirty or something). I use those for various decks and am very satisfied with those. Gold Dragon shields don't work for me as sleeves from 3 out of 3 boxes I bhought are all miscut and vary in length :(
The other ones are mediocre in all other categories and therefore are solid sleeves.
In short: Usually Pink Dragons and Yellow Ultra Pros for my dredgedeck.
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If you want to buy sleeves in bulk to standardize on one type, I recommend UltraPro Raven Black, or if you want color, the ziplock UltraPros, which come in blue/green/gray/etc.
Raven Black is very sturdy, shuffles well, and doesn't show wear much. The quality seems to be more consistent than the average UltraPros, though you will still get occasional packs with bad cuts or off-color. The ziplock UltraPros that I've had have also been very consistent in quality, and they're quite inexpensive.
I recommend against other types of UltraPros, and I recommend against Dragon Shields.
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I've tried Dragon Shields, KMC, Ultra Pro, and a few off brands and by far the best I have seen is the KMC's. I use the Super Blue now, but I have to admit the Green is actually better. I just don't like Green much. They last forever and it's rare to get ones that split on you. Some of mine are probably from sleeves first came out still.
KMC is the best, then I would choose Dragon Shields, then Ultra Pro. Most of the other brands tend to be pretty cheap crap. Get KMC perfit fits and then regular KMC sleeves for sleeving up stuff like power and beta duals. It makes them a little thicker, but definitely the best you are going to get.
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I have been enjoying the ultrapro japanese line in green. A store near me carries them and I have those on a deck with perfect size underneath and the deck is thinner than trying that with KMC matte sleeves.
I had like 10 packs of those and was using those exclusively but I may convert to these green sleeves.
I also bought some of those Yanoman gunmetal sleeves and I found them to be only okay, but the deck divider that came with it is fantastic.
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Does anyone who sweats a lot by his hands have found good sleeves for that matter ?
I always need to buy new pack after 2-3 weeks because the plastic all stick together. I've found that dragonshields (well, at least Purple ones) are the worst for that problem and that ultrapro with matte texture are not too bad.
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Ultra Pro Raven Blacks. They do not stick, they last fairly well, and they shuffle extremelly well even when you have sweaty hands. The only issue I have had with recent batches is that they are prone to splitting, and if you arent careful they can damage your cards (like my foil wasteland :().
I used to use Ultra Pro and when I needed a new sleeve, I decided to try out Dragon Shields, and after a couple of months, I notice that the sleeves are in a much better condition. So I started using dragon shields the most, but I heard talks about KMC sleeves, it seems like theyre on par with Dragon Shields but the "MAT" sleeves just feels a lot nicer.
However, lately I am seeing ultra pro having some sleeves that's pretty similar to KMC, but I don't know anything about those. I also saw a new stuff called metal rose, I don't know anything about it either. Those that have tried it, let me know how they are. Though I kinda wish the metal rose, came with a black color (non-glossy) with a white/silver design lol.
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The Metal Rose sleeves are made by KMC and are on par with the Supers. However, the blue ones are metallic and reflective, and you can very clearly see the reflection of your card faces on them, so I would steer clear of that color. The green ones and the yellow ones are fine though. I'm not sure if they make black or not.
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