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    Quote Originally Posted by joemauer View Post
    I don't think cavern of souls is a good idea in elves, I could end up wrong though.

    One of elves strengths is being wasteland proof. Very rarely do I care if my creature gets countered. Removal is more a problem than counters for elves. The only creature that I typically need to resolve is scavenging ooze, not an elf.

    In fact, I believe the non creature spells are more important to resolve:GSZ, Glimpse of Nature, and Natural Order. However, if counterbalance ever became a DTB again than this land would be a staple in at the least our sideboards.
    I aggree with you. Adding Cavern to our deck makes wasteland a good card against us. And on top of that you can't cast Wirewood Symbiote (insect) & Regal force with it, and those two are pretty hardcore for us.
    Add the fact that Glimpse & GSZ are also key spells for us and I don't think I want this land in my MD.
    About the CB-MU: when it was heavily played I used Leyline of Lifeforce as a trumpcard.

  2. #2502

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    What do you think about Soul of the Harvest?
    Is it a good card for this deck?

  3. #2503

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    I would not exchange Regal Force for this one. It needs to stay in play to let you draw cards, while Force lets you draw them instantly, which is a much stronger effect in this deck.

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    I do not think that Cavern of Souls will be a decent add for Elves b/c more ppl allow the creatures to hit the battlefield, they just end up removing it or ignoring it. So being exposed to Wasteland doesn't benefit the deck. If anything, it'd take attention off of Gaea's Cradle, but at that point we should be winning.

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    Started playing this a few weeks ago, tried a bunch of versions, turns out i like Vengevine a lot. :)

    1 Dryad Arbor
    9 Forest
    4 Heritage Druid
    4 Wirewood Symbiote
    1 Viridian Shaman
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    3 Llanowar Elves
    2 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Quirion Ranger
    4 Elvish Visionary
    4 Vengevine
    1 Regal Force
    1 Joraga Warcaller
    4 Glimpse of Nature
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Fauna Shaman
    2 Gaea's Cradle
    SB: 2 Beast Within
    SB: 4 Thorn of Amethyst
    SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers
    SB: 1 Mortarpod
    SB: 2 Faerie Macabre
    SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
    SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
    SB: 1 Dismember

    I only have 2 Gaea's Cradles, i would play one more instead of a Llanowar Elves if i could, but i think crop rotation just sucks.

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    Greg Sochacki made it to the Semifinals at the StarCityGames.com Providence Legacy Open. He went undefeated on the day until he met David Rice (Aggro Loam) in the Semis.


    Quarterfinals:
    Greg Sochacki (Elves) 2 - 0 Garret Roosa (Death & Taxes)

    Match Report: http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...chacki_vs.html


    Semifinals:
    David Rice (Aggro Loam) 2 - 1 Greg Sochacki (Elves)

    Match Report: http://www.starcitygames.com/events/..._vs_greg_.html


    Top32 Decklists: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...ate=2012-05-13


    Greg´s Decklist: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=45959

    MD:
    1 Joraga Warcaller
    1 Regal Force
    2 Birchlore Rangers
    3 Elvish Archdruid
    3 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Quirion Ranger
    4 Elvish Visionary
    4 Llanowar Elves
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    4 Heritage Druid
    4 Wirewood Symbiote

    2 Green Sun's Zenith
    3 Living Wish
    4 Summoner's Pact
    4 Glimpse of Nature

    1 Gaea's Cradle
    3 Misty Rainforest
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    5 Forest


    SB:
    2 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Phyrexian Revoker
    1 Faerie Macabre
    1 Joraga Warcaller
    1 Regal Force
    1 Vexing Shusher
    2 Viridian Shaman
    2 Steely Resolve
    2 Krosan Grip
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Gaea's Cradle

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    Re: [Deck] Elves Combo

    Quote Originally Posted by Godmode View Post
    Greg Sochacki made it to the Semifinals at the StarCityGames.com Providence Legacy Open. He went undefeated on the day until he met David Rice (Aggro Loam) in the Semis.


    Quarterfinals:
    Greg Sochacki (Elves) 2 - 0 Garret Roosa (Death & Taxes)

    Match Report: http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...chacki_vs.html


    Semifinals:
    David Rice (Aggro Loam) 2 - 1 Greg Sochacki (Elves)

    Match Report: http://www.starcitygames.com/events/..._vs_greg_.html


    Top32 Decklists: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...ate=2012-05-13


    Greg´s Decklist: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=45959

    MD:
    1 Joraga Warcaller
    1 Regal Force
    2 Birchlore Rangers
    3 Elvish Archdruid
    3 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Quirion Ranger
    4 Elvish Visionary
    4 Llanowar Elves
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    4 Heritage Druid
    4 Wirewood Symbiote

    2 Green Sun's Zenith
    3 Living Wish
    4 Summoner's Pact
    4 Glimpse of Nature

    1 Gaea's Cradle
    3 Misty Rainforest
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    5 Forest


    SB:
    2 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Phyrexian Revoker
    1 Faerie Macabre
    1 Joraga Warcaller
    1 Regal Force
    1 Vexing Shusher
    2 Viridian Shaman
    2 Steely Resolve
    2 Krosan Grip
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Gaea's Cradle
    Hello, I am Greg Sochacki, and that is my list. If you guys have any questions or commentary. I will gladly answer it. I'll be checking this thread daily. By the way there is a error with the sideboard there where 2 shusher's and 1 Viridian shamen. Starcity posted it wrong but overall its not that big of a deal. Also I would like to note that I did defeat David Rice in an earlier match that day. Round 8 I think it was. Once you get Steely Resolve out against Loam the game is yours.

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    I don't like looking like a hater but.. Isn't steely resolve just bad because you can't use Quirion Ranger and Symbiote anymore while going off? By the way, you seem really weak against RUG with those 4 Pacts and the low forest count.. was it a concern ? Also, why Graffdigger's Cage ? Isn't Tormod's Crypt/Faerie Macabre just better ? Why no Scavenging Ooze or Loaming Shaman or something like that in the SB?

    I don't get it. Anyway, congrats!

    Btw, i won my local SCG Invitational Qualifier 2 days ago with this (anyone going to SCG Invitational LA in December2012?) ;


    1 Dryad Arbor
    9 Forest
    4 Heritage Druid
    4 Wirewood Symbiote
    1 Viridian Shaman
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    3 Llanowar Elves
    2 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Quirion Ranger
    4 Elvish Visionary
    4 Vengevine
    1 Regal Force
    1 Joraga Warcaller
    4 Glimpse of Nature
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Fauna Shaman
    2 Gaea's Cradle
    SB: 1 Beast Within
    SB: 4 Thorn of Amethyst
    SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers
    SB: 1 Mortarpod
    SB: 2 Faerie Macabre
    SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
    SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
    SB: 1 Dismember
    SB: 1 Krosan Grip

    30 or 32 players, something like that. 5 rounds. alright.
    2-0 vs High Tide (G1 i kept a sketchy hand of 6 cards containing 4 Lands but i still won turn 4. Game 2 i win turn 2.) sb: Carpet, Beast within, Thorn.
    2-0 vs Pox (G1 he didn't do much, G2 Vengevines did all the job.) sb: Grip, Beast Within, Ooze?
    0-2 vs Zoo (G1 he rancored his T1 Nacatl, didnt draw combo material. G2 he went t2 Pillar, i had no answer and i was holding pure combo juice.) sb: Grip, Within, Ooze
    2-0 vs Loam BG Deed Darkblast Entomb and so on (G1 I combo out turn 3. G2 I combo out turn 3 through a Pernicious Deed at 1 that killed 2 of my Elves. SB: 1 Ooze, 1 Krosan Grip.
    2-1 vs Pox sb: Grip, Beast Within, Ooze? (G1 he raped my hand, lands, creatures and kept ripping the nuts off the top. Game 2 i grind him out with Symbiote+Visionaries and Vengevines. Game 3 is tight but he misplays a lot at the end. He plays in a way that restricts him from Curse Scrolling my face during two turns while i'm like at 10 or something like that and just after he plays a Liliana of the Veil and snap says ''We are gonna discard.. Owai..'' too late. My Vengevine is in my Yard and the judge was standing right there and said that Liliana's ability resolves. :P

    Top 8
    2-1 vs Stoneblade (Spellstutter version) (Should have been 2-0, i misplayed a LOT game 1. Game 2 Viridian Shaman + Symbiote and Vengevines all fueled by Fauna Shaman and Visionary card advantage grinds him and destroys all his equipments. Game 3, i rape him. SB : Dismember, Mortarpod, Krosan Grip, maybe Beast Within.
    Top 4
    2-1 vs RUG Lavamancer (Game 1, Delver flips. he kills all my guys, fows all my Zeniths, Glimpses or whatever. alright.)
    I side in Carpets, Ooze, Dismember, Mortarpod. G2 i get enough basic forests and Vengevines to crush those Grim Lavamancers. Game 3 I play turn 1 Carpet, he fows and surgicals it.. really ? Looks like i'm winning this game. I dismember a Lavamancer, play a Veggie at some point and seal the deal by getting a 5/5 Ooze on board. SB: 1 Ooze, 3 Carpets, 1 Dismember, 1 Mortarpod
    Final
    2-0 vs Shot in the Dark
    Game 1 he keeps a 7card hand with an Ancient Den, 2 Plowshares and a Force of Will because he knew i was on Elves. I mull to 5. I play some weak guys. at some point he fows a Glimpse because i have like 3 card in hands. I beat and pass the turn, he draws a second land on his turn 4, plays it. I untap and play Viridian Shaman, destroying Ancient Den.
    i SB in 3 Thorns because he had Mox Opals and 4 Drops. (Humility, probably Wrath. Tezz. Jace. etc.) and Bwithin/Kgrip.
    G2 he gets CB, ThopterSword, 3 Lands, a Mox and at some points he counters my Viridian Shaman by playing Enlightened tutor getting Ensnaring Bridge with CB trigger on the stack. He untaps, plays it. He had like 2 cards in hand and passed the turn. I untap. Glimpse. He brainstorms with CB trigger on the stack. No 1 drop. Cool. Glimpse resolves. i draw a bunch of cards, can't really play 2 drops because he had one on top. Still managed to kill him after playing like 15 1/1s or 2/2s through ThopterSword and Bridge because i dropped 3 Thorns into play after playing Krosan Grip on Mox Opal and Beast Within on a Land. He had an Ensnaring Bridge, but couldn't play anything to empty his hand.

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    Re: [Deck] Elves Combo

    @pich: I would love a report. I have grown very fond of that list and I would like to know how the altered SB worked for you. I personally really like the NO/prog plan.

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    I didnt put that much details about SB, but there ya go.

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    Thx pich. I was most curious about Thorns. For me that card hasn't ever worked like I wanted it to. Either it's irrelevant or doesn't show up when I need it.

    Scavenging Ooze has been a beast in testing. Winning me close games versus delver decks(u/r and canadian thresh), and wins me random corner cases like against engineered plague.

    Also, the NO/prog plan has been good as well. It beats Nic Fit and any other deed reliant decks. It makes surgical extraction dead in games two/three when I switch NO for the vengevines. It makes perish a much less profitable card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonryder124 View Post
    Hello, I am Greg Sochacki, and that is my list. If you guys have any questions or commentary. I will gladly answer it. I'll be checking this thread daily. By the way there is a error with the sideboard there where 2 shusher's and 1 Viridian shamen. Starcity posted it wrong but overall its not that big of a deal. Also I would like to note that I did defeat David Rice in an earlier match that day. Round 8 I think it was. Once you get Steely Resolve out against Loam the game is yours.
    Can you explain why you're using the Living Wish route? It's very interesting, because Living Wish lists have been around for a while, but nobody got a performance like you did with it. What was it? Was it something about the sideboard (cards like Steely Resolve, Shusher and even the LW targets)? Can you get into the reasons you're playing with it, oposing to the Mirror and Emrakul lists?

    By the way, congrats on the finish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pich View Post
    I don't like looking like a hater but.. Isn't steely resolve just bad because you can't use Quirion Ranger and Symbiote anymore while going off? By the way, you seem really weak against RUG with those 4 Pacts and the low forest count.. was it a concern ? Also, why Graffdigger's Cage ? Isn't Tormod's Crypt/Faerie Macabre just better ? Why no Scavenging Ooze or Loaming Shaman or something like that in the SB?
    I would rather play steely resolve and have an unusable elf than die to a goblin sharp shooter or darkblast. Also Wirewood symbiote is not useless you can still bounce creatures to your hands which is a little more important than untappng when your going through your combo. Also Graffdigger's Cage is a personal choice, I threw in one faerie macabre for the wish if I need it. I prefer a card to completely shut down the opponents deck. I would prefer leyline of the void but cage is a better choice for obvious reasons. Good players can play around crypt and still win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godmode View Post
    Can you explain why you're using the Living Wish route? It's very interesting, because Living Wish lists have been around for a while, but nobody got a performance like you did with it. What was it? Was it something about the sideboard (cards like Steely Resolve, Shusher and even the LW targets)? Can you get into the reasons you're playing with it, oposing to the Mirror and Emrakul lists?
    Well, I'm only running 3 which means I don't want to get it on my opening hand but would like to draw into it. its almost never a dead card. Normally its one of 4 cards; Cradle,Warcaller, regal force, emrakul. Cradle for more mana, warcaller for combo continuation and Vs. Engineering plague. Regal Force to draw more and emrakul to win. Everything else depends on the situation. I don't want to splash another color because of wasteland for the mirrior. and I only win about half my games with comboing off so I don't always want to draw emrakul.

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    Someone asked me to wright a report of my matches. Although a lot of the night is one big magic blur. I will go over the highlights. Now I think I matched up the names with the decks? I could be wrong.

    01Win Nick Wilkins
    2-1 VS. Goblins - Close matches but plowed though them like I expected

    02Draw Douglas Hanrion
    1-1-1 Vs. RUG I think - First game was very long and kept going back and forth I eventually beat him down, second game he shut down all my pieces, and third went to draw because I didn't see an opportunity to win so I just just blocked into time

    03Win Connor Thompson
    2-1 Goblins - he got me first game because I didn't see more than one land and he kept on tapping the one I had out. Second game I just comboed and 3ed was very close I won even with a resolved sharpshooter with haste in play. MVP: Wirewood symbiote

    04Win Stephen Dupal
    2-0 Maverick - Wasn't hard the I discovered that elves are strong against maverick

    05Win Edgardo Ayala
    2-0 Affinity - Got god hand both rounds, went off turn 2 both times

    06Win Shaun Dickson
    2-1 Maverick - anti combo killed me game 2 the others I just comboed out

    07Win Dave Shiels
    2-? U/R Delver - This guy was the hardest opponent of the night. Made my head hurt so much. but I kept pulling those counters untill I was able to go off.

    08Win David Rice
    2-1 Loam - Really hard match up. Game one I smashed face, Game 2 he smacked me back, and game three, the game might as well been over when I resolved steely resolve.

    09Draw Chris Pelletier
    Never played him, Drew into top 8

    10Win Garret Roosa
    2-0 death and taxes - I discovered that this deck, much like Maverick, Is not good against elves. http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...chacki_vs.html
    11Loss(+0) David Rice
    1-2 http://www.starcitygames.com/events/..._vs_greg_.html

    Like I said before I only comboed about half the time or so. the others I just had so many elves that my opponents didn't know how to kill them all.
    One of the main reason I did well is because no one expected elves to go to the top.
    On a side note I can't believe how no one knows what Steely resolve did. even the pros had to pick up the card and read it.

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    Re: [Deck] Elves Combo

    Gratz to your finish Dragonryder124, nice report. The steely resolve trick is a forgotten tool of elvish defence. I used the enchantment long ago in standard, because i was often confronted with goblin sharpshooter (one of my friends is an all time goblin fan and a skilled sharpshooter user) I think against UR Delver and RUG - Removal heavy decks - it is an unaspected card.
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    Re: [Deck] Elves Combo

    Is Concordant Crossroads good to sb in for the combo matchup?

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    @UP
    Why you want this card over Thorn of Amethyst or silence? i dont get it.

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    I tied for first place (3-1 with same tiebreakers, lost on head-to-head) at an itsy-bisty sanctioned Vintage event using Legacy Elves yesterday. Only five people showed up, and the decks were weird, so not a great sample, but I had fun. I literally forgot my Vintage deck at home and so I had a choice between Elves and Modern Knights.

    Here’s what I ran:

    3 Birchlore Rangers
    4 Elvish Visionary
    3 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Heritage Druid
    2 Llanowar Elves
    2 Mirror Entity
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    2 Priest of Titania
    1 Quasli Pridemage
    1 Quiron Ranger
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Regal Force
    4 Wirewood Symbiote

    2 Eldrami’s Call
    1 Crop Rotation
    4 Glimpse of Nature
    4 Green Sun’s Zenith

    5 Forest
    7 Green fetchlands (various)
    2 Savanna
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Gaea’s Cradle
    1 Pendlehaven

    SIDEBOARD:
    1 Motorpod
    4 Faerie Macabre
    1 Viridian Shaman
    3 Energy Storm
    3 Choke
    1 Fecundity
    1 Umezawa’s Jitte
    1 Gaddock Teeg

    MATCH 1 - Versus Salvager Combo - LOSS 1-2

    My opponent was on a fully powered blue-white salvager combo list, but even so this matchup was very even. He was packing lots of creature removal in the form of Swords to Plowshares, Balance, Sowers, and Tiagos to recast them. Game 1 was a big grind. His countermagic and spot removal stop me from going off, so I just keep summoning 1/1s. We both made mistakes, but he simply couldn’t find any gas and I eventually overwhelmed him by attacking for 2-3 each turn.

    The post-board games were more trouble. Now, in addition to controlling my combo, he used Sowers to take my threats and beat me with them. It was not until time was called at the end of game 3 that he finally assembled Salvager combo for the first time, winning by drawing his library and then timewalking twice with a flying army.

    MATCH 2 - Versus Landstill - WIN 2-1

    This deck was mega-annoying; it was a mono-blue control deck, with three or four pieces of power, and it packed Stifle, Standstill and Counterbalance-Top. The first game, he forces a combo piece early, pitching a Counterbalance, and I comment how glad I am to see that in exile. He smiles and casts Counterbalance and Top next turn. A standstill reloads his hand, giving him plenty of hard counters to stop me from playing around the lock (though I do a darn good job of trying) and eventually finishes me with a pair of flipped Delvers.

    Sideboard in the chokes and teeg. Game 2, I resolve a Choke on turn 2, catching him without Force. Things go rapidly bad for him, as he never finds a way to really get operating with lands that never untap, and I beat down. He concedes just as I’m about to actually go off for the first time that tournament.

    Game 3, he forced my first Choke, but I’ve topdecked another! After Choke falls, he resolves Counterbalance-Top again. So we’re both sitting here doing very unfair things to one another... but I’ve got creatures on the board and he doesn’t. He’s so handicapped by the Choke that I am eventually able to kill Counterbalance (I glimpse when he has no mana open, forcing him to put Top on the library, allowing me to resolve and activate Quasli Pridemage). The little green men eventually put him out of his misery.

    MATCH 3 - Versus Vampires WIN 2-0

    I don’t know what this deck was. It was some sort of sui-black thing with a Vampire theme. Might have had Dark Times combo in it, but I never saw it. It did not do much. The funniest part was his reaction when I resolve Motorpod to wipe out his Vampire Hexmage - I don’t think he was expected that.

    MATCH 4 - Burn WIN 2-1

    Game 1, he’s simply faster than me and burns me out. I punted, though. I forgot to attack with my Arbor once, and he ended the game at 1 life. Bugger.

    Game 2 and 3, I dropped Energy Storm and enjoyed some well-deserved “what the hell does that card do?!” reactions. Both times, he cast Browbeat against me after Storm had resolved, only to smack himself when I agreed to take 0. He was totally helpless against the Storm and I just beat with weenies for the win.

    So, provided your Vintage environment is non-powered, quasi-legacy, apparently Elves is a solid choice.

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    Hey all, I played Elves in 3 events this weekend. I swept 2 of them, and got 2nd place today in a GPT. My biggest problem matchup is Sneak 'n Show. Aside from Tajuru Preservers and/or mulliganing to Emrakul, any advice on sideboarding? I just can't seem to beat them unless I have the turn 2 kill. Feel free to ask me any questions. My list, for reference: http://essentialmagic.com/decks/View.asp?ID=925833

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostGrown View Post
    Hey all, I played Elves in 3 events this weekend. I swept 2 of them, and got 2nd place today in a GPT. My biggest problem matchup is Sneak 'n Show. Aside from Tajuru Preservers and/or mulliganing to Emrakul, any advice on sideboarding? I just can't seem to beat them unless I have the turn 2 kill. Feel free to ask me any questions. My list, for reference: http://essentialmagic.com/decks/View.asp?ID=925833
    Congrats to your sucess with the deck. Will you provide some sort of report of those events, or the GPT? That would be nice. Can you also please elaborate a bit why you're playing Fierce Empath main deck and what benefits does he bring to the table, despite possibly taking a bit of consistensy of the deck? By the way, by personal experience I've experimented Ezuri and never found a real need for him. Does he makes a significant difference when you bring him in?

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