I don't think Misstep itself will destroy the deck, but if the biggest deck post-shakeup is Zoo with Missteps, Lavamancers and plenty of removal, and more relevant hate in the side, things become problematic.
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As long as it doesn't counter Priests, Archdruids, Zeniths or Wishes (or for that matter, Pact) I don't think it's going to be gamebreaking by itself. You should be able to win without resolving Glimpse. It's in conjunction with plenty of removal that I get worried.
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For my confessions, they burned me with fire/
And found I was for endurance made
Oooooops I forgot to pay for my Summoner's Pact upkeep cost . Edit undo
For my confessions, they burned me with fire/
And found I was for endurance made
Do'h. I was being terse and ended up confusing.
I don't see Reanimator being viable once Mental Misstep enters the format. Relying on resolving Entomb/Careful Study/Personal Tutor then Reanimate seems very unlikely in the coming weeks with as much hype as MM is receiving. That leads me to believe that facing a Reanimator deck with Iona to be slim. Hence, I do not fret about how to deal with Iona.
Case in point: Reanimator is a wash, and I won't dedicate SB space against it.
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No, I was saying that Misstep won't destroy this deck. It a counterspell. Play through it. Bait it if you have to. It's a really good card, it's going to impact the format, and I'm shoving 4 of them into my 'Folk deck, but it's just a counterspell. Admittedly, if it's played in traditional Zoo, with Lavamancer and company, then I'll just chalk that one up as unwinnable. But does this card invalidate the deck? Hell no.
EDIT:
HA! I confused myself. Okay, so you're arguing that Misstep invalidates Reanimator? That, I can see, as that deck is barely clinging to life now. Sorry for the upset. But I still think my above point stands, for any naysayers.
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Can you play through Force? If so, you can play through Misstep.
Baiting only works if there's critical mass of threats. It is highly dependent on the situation too, but for the most part I see GSZ being better in situations where an attrition game is required versus glass cannon approach. I still see the benefit for Pact for tight situations, and having run a few MTGO matches (Dailies and 2mans) with only 1 Pact, I decided that 2 is a better fit in place of the 3rd Archdruid.
Right now, I'm using a mixture of tutors with great effect:
3 GSZ
3 Living Wish
2 Summoner's Pact
I don't see the need for the 4th Wish, as it's usually only critical to have once you combo off. A note about GSZ that I do like is especially cycling through them to fetch out Elvish Visionary. This not only replaces GSZ with another card (ala Pact), but also buys you time. I tried out this tactic against RUG non-CB and seeing that I was getting no resistance on GSZ went for the combo once Lavamancer became gimped. It is not uncommon to tutor out Symbiote with GSZ to continue the Glimpse chains too, as Nihil mentioned.
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I use the Wishes at all stages in the game. Whether I need to gimp a combo (nabbing Faerie Macabre vs. GY decks, or Revoker for Storm) need to set up by grabbing a half of the mana engine, or I need to seal the deal. I acknowledge that IBA's list is slower, but it seems so much more resilient.
Note critical versus useful. I've used Wish many times to find an early Cradle (usually is the case too). Oftentimes this is the bait. It's obvious that a double Glimpse hand is easily setup for baiting too, especially when you play mind games and talk about how your deck is capable of hyper explosive turns :P
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k2 or anyone else have a good list with pact and/or GSZ, im rly not a big fan of living wish or any wishes rly as i prefer to have a real sideboard
K2thej, what do you think about Misstep? I think it wrecks this deck. I know, we talked about lot how resiliet it is, but this gives your opponent big tempo boost and blue has finaly one card answer to glimpse.
So far I only heard people saying Mental Misstep is no option for elves. Reasons given were:
- No synergies with the deck
What other synergy does protection/disruption need except for being protection/disruption.
Why do you think it has more synergies in other aggro decks (as discussed in MM thread it is a good card for Zoo or other tribals)
- Does not solve Elve Problems
…I just cannot understand that at all. SD.top in CB/top is a huge problem. We side in Grip for that.
I don’t know how many times a bolt/swords/thoughtseize set me back and of course we know storm is about a turn faster and interacts more.
IBA, especially your build which is stronger aggro/less combo could use it…
Her are some quotes of IBA from the MM thread. I would appreciate if you could specify why the things you said do not apply to elves.
Why is it great for Zoo but not for the elve aggro plan?Originally Posted by IBA
You don’t want to nerf combo and most common removal spell in the format playing elves?Originally Posted by IBA
- I think MM gives us game vs. worst matchups burn/zoo/counter top/landstill/combo, but also useful in others.Originally Posted by IBA
- Problems with combo...
- lack of black -> disruption
- premium in early game: (elves like T1-T4)
Thanks in advance.
I think that MM will be heavily played for starters. But time will tell if it stays present in certain decks. For elves I do think that MM could have his place in the SB. It will certainly improve our MU against fast combo.
Considering the quote that it wrecks the deck. I do not believe it will. It is a great force that we will have to take in account, but then again, so is FoW. And it's not as if you're entire plan falls to crumble if one of our elves is countered or even worse, if they counter glimpse. I do think that we will need to rely less on glimpse.
I think it is essentially another fow against us, since it hits most of the deck.
It's not good, but I think the shusher's in the board take care of it though. We've played around FOW, CB, etc. We'll be fine.
Edit: Yes, shushers. I now am a huge proponent of shushers over Leyline. Thank you Ruckus for switching me over like a month or so ago. They really are better.
While Misstep hits a lot of cards in the deck, it doesn't hit most of the best cards (Priests, Archdruids, Wish, GSZ) except for Glimpse itself. It definitely hurts the deck, but it depends what shell it's in. Zoo might've just become unwinnable is the biggest problem I can foresee.
@Catmint:
While countering Lavamancer or Top would be nice, most of the other problems the deck cares about don't get solved with Misstep (Jitte, Firespout, Humility, Damnation, Deed, EE, etc..), and the deck has an unusually high premium on synergy.
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