Since the Abyss and Magus of ~ both say "destroy target nonartifact creature", if you have an indestructible creature in play, can you target it every turn and just let the effect fizzle?
It doesn't "fizzle" persay, that's when a spell or ability fails to resolve for not having vaild target(s), but yeah, you can do that and have the ability have no noticible effect.
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You can target indestructible creatures with effects like Abyss, but interestingly you can't choose to destroy an indestructible creature when making a choice while a spell/effect is resolving. You can't choose an indestructible creature with Porphyry Nodes, for instance.
The reason is 608.2d:
608.2d. If an effect of a spell or ability offers any choices other than choices already made as part of casting the spell, activating the ability, or otherwise putting the spell or ability on the stack, the player announces these while applying the effect. The player can't choose an option that's illegal or impossible, with the exception that having an empty library doesn't make drawing a card an impossible action (see rule 119.3).
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
Wait...so why can you target an indestructible creature with the Abyss but not Porphyry Nodes? And is that only if the indestructible creature is tied for lowest power with another creature that can be destroyed?Originally Posted by cdr
Look at it like this: The Abyss, upon going on the stack, is asking you "choose a target creature", and indestructibility does not affect targeting. Later, doing resolution, it tries to destroy the previously chosen creature, fails, and moves on.
Porphyry Nodes doesn't ask you anything upon going on the stack, since it doesn't target. On resolution, what it asks of you is not "Choose a [target] creature"; it's asking you "Please destroy a creature", and the game won't be satisfied unless you do so or unless it is impossible for you to do so.
Yes, in the sense that if it weren't you would have two reasons rather than just one why you couldn't choose it for destruction.And is that only if the indestructible creature is tied for lowest power with another creature that can be destroyed?
YOU'RE GIVING ME A TIME MACHINE IN ORDER TO TREAT MY SLEEP DISORDER.
If there is a non-indestructible creature tied, you must choose a non-indestructible creature. If the indestructible creature is the only creature with the lowest power, you can't choose it and the effect will do nothing - you can't even get to the point of trying to destroy it.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
So the main difference here is the word "choose", so if I had The Abyss out and several creatures, only one of which was indestructible, I could target the indestructible creature every turn.
The difference is targeting - which is done on announcement - versus making a choice upon resolution.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
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