Dazed and Confused Part 3

[DrJones]

He got second place with a deck he built on the spot, without having tested it even once, and replacing some cards by others because nobody had them in their binders. He either:
1. found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
2. is an exceptional player with a lot of luck.
3. all his opponents were bad players, or
4. his point is true and combo decks with Force of Will really can win regardless of the player's deckbuilding or piloting abilities.

And I'm inclined to agree with one of those points.

[Ecoris]

He got second place with a deck he built on the spot, without having tested it even once, and replacing some cards by others because nobody had them in their binders.

No, read the article a bit closer. He went 4-1 the first time with the deck full of borrowed cards.
His 2nd place was not achieved with that decklist (but with the list a bit further down) and it was apparently his third tournament with the deck.

[(nameless one)]

I think the pilot is a good player (he is supposed to be up there) and he got lucky with his build.

Maybe a new beginning for Hypergenesis, after all, it did get the shaft in extended. Yes, the deck can be easily hated out in Legacy with all the hate but with a big enough cardpool, it also has enough tools to fight against hate. He already started fiddling with Force of Wills and Misdirection. Someone already mentioned Unmask.

We'll see if one of us sourcers would actually propel this deck into the Established area.

PS. Shouldn't Aeon Bridge be on the Established section? Or Nightmare is just playing the humility game?

[Pastorofmuppets]

I've been waiting for a cascade combo deck to show up. Almost nobody runs Stifle now, which was a big problem for the builds. He Conley Woods'd the tournament. Whether or not he did it on purpose is moot, since he'll say he did anyway (fuck man, I would).
EDIT: It also looks like he didn't run into trinisphere. With his persistent "play around Daze" philosophy, he's going 1-for-1 with Forces on game 1. Not bad. Might be too easy to hate out. Still, I'd love to have gone in there with the NLI lists that've been jumping around. Might've wrecked hard.

[Nessaja]

He won a tournament with a meta deck. I really don't see a big deal with it.

Yes he brought something new to the format, but stuff like that happens a lot (Dream Halls, Team America, UWT) a large portion of the valid legacy decks prey on weaknesses in the established decks.

[Sims]

He didn't really bring anything new to the table, people have been working on Hypergenesis decks since people first realized cascading into it is pretty hilarious and an effective way at comboing out on your opponent. It picks up tools in Legacy and i'm sure he spent some time tweaking the list, power to him. I have wanted to have a successful cascade deck in Legacy for a while but even with the advances he put forth, i'm not sure the deck is stable enough to make repeat performances without a lot of luck and preying upon weak opponent playskill.

I partially agreed that legacy manabases suck in part 1, but disdained his way of going about it.
I didn't even read all of part 2 because I don't like his writing style.
I looked up part 3 on my phone (channelfireball blocked at work) so that I could see the list, but didn't read anything else for the same reasons i didn't read part 2.... Congrats to him, but I think he's got a long way to go article-wise.

[Plague Sliver]

He got me good with the deck in Round 1 of that tournament.

My version of the story:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ead.php?18290-[Report]-Delve-for-six-Alex-13th-Place-with-TEAM-AMERICA-at-the-Mirkwood-Cup

Looks like I got some details wrong, nevertheless Steven played pretty darn solid.

[xTrainx]

Okay, so; he did well, and people continue to try and bitch about it?

Major props to him, for continuing to face the community, and showing them that he knows how to play.

[zalachan]

I liked his latest submission because he actually provided decklists. Too bad he missed that Lotus.

Still, i found it quite funny that he got beaten by Merfolk :)

[Morim_Brightsmoke]

I don't think he is bad, nor do I think the deck is horrible or anything. I also don't think he "discovered it" or anything. It is hypergenesis, we all have lists of that floating around somewhere.

My question is how this deck beats CB decks, I understand that it runs FoW and that is how he plans on doing that according to the "run more basics and combo with force of will" plan, but they run FoW, Daze, and a must counter in the form of counterbalance. Depending on which CB deck it is they also run a decent clock, humility plus tutors, ensnaring bridge (should be in enlightened tutor decks), knight + karakas, or their own oh shit button in Natural order progenitus. Misdirection is only good when you are going off, so basically he has FoW, for counterbalance and hope they don't have more counters than him after that, seems worrisome.

[Hopo]

My question is how this deck beats CB decks, I understand that it runs FoW and that is how he plans on doing that according to the "run more basics and combo with force of will" plan, but they run FoW, Daze, and a must counter in the form of counterbalance. Depending on which CB deck it is they also run a decent clock, humility plus tutors, ensnaring bridge (should be in enlightened tutor decks), knight + karakas, or their own oh shit button in Natural order progenitus. Misdirection is only good when you are going off, so basically he has FoW, for counterbalance and hope they don't have more counters than him after that, seems worrisome.

My take on this was to play Wispmare in sideboard for especially Counterbalance. It is easier with a build with Oblivion Ring as you don't need to splash white only for SB cards. Wispmare and Ingot Chewer are tailor-made for Hypergenesis deck.

[SpikeyMikey]

I think that this guy is seriously interested in the format, meaning that in a year or two, he'll be up to speed and he won't be as irritating to read anymore. Remember when Menendian made the jump to the Legacy bandwagon? He swore he was going to break the format. All you poor scrubs step aside while the master of Eternal solves your format for you. As I recall, his first attempt was FEB. Any of you remember FEB ever working in Legacy? Thought not.

Hypergenesis won't go far either and Birklid will produce some more fluff before he realizes that Legacy is 100% unlike any other format. It's not just the bigger cardpool, the balance of the format is such that the viable strategies often share no common weaknesses. The pros see this and assume that the best deck to play, therefore is one with little to no interaction, but this is not the case, as those decks do share a weakness. They all hinge on one or two cards, making them vulnerable to control strategies and often to themselves. The consistent decks that prey on control tend to do better over the long haul. Yeah, they lack the answers to busted plays, but they don't mull into oblivion and the don't rely on topdecking specific sequences of cards.

That having been said, Hypergenesis seems better than all the damn Sneak Attack decks I see on MWS.

[Hanni]

That having been said, Hypergenesis seems better than all the damn Sneak Attack decks I see on MWS.

LOL, qft

[DragoFireheart]

He lost to fish, therefore his deck is terrible.

[dahcmai]

I kind of wish this guy would stop writing about Legacy. He doesn't take criticism well and responds to every negative comment like a scolded middle schooler. I like the deck ideas and reading about those things, but it's really not worth it in this guy's case. He even starts this article talking about people in the comments of the last one. Ugh let it die.

[Kuma]

For supposedly being able to "race or ignore Counterbalance," he's totally cold to a CounterTop player keeping a three on top.

[mchainmail]

For supposedly being able to "race or ignore Counterbalance," he's totally cold to a CounterTop player keeping a three on top.

Not really... Ardent Plea / Violent outburst gets countered, but Cascade happens separately...

[Kuma]

My mistake. Aside from Show and Tell, he's cold to a zero on top.