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    Garruk's Packleader

    Quick question regarding Garruk's Packleader:

    I return Garruk's Packleader to play simultaiously with some high power (in this case, "high power" means > 3 =) guys, for example via Living Death or Ghostway. Am I allowed to draw cards for them?

    And what if I return Garruk's Packleader with four Lord of Atlantis, am I allowed to draw cards for them?

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    Re: Garruk's Packleader

    I´m not 100% sure, but it should be this...

    Quote Originally Posted by 603.6d
    Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event
    matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine
    what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like
    . However,
    some triggered abilities must be treated specially because the object with the ability may no
    longer be on the battlefield, may have moved to a hand or library, or may no longer be
    controlled by the appropriate player. The game has to “look back in time” to determine if these
    abilities trigger. Leaves-the-battlefield abilities, abilities that trigger when a permanent phases
    out, abilities that trigger when an object that all players can see is put into a hand or library,
    abilities that trigger specifically when an object becomes unattached, abilities that trigger when
    a player loses control of an object, and abilities that trigger when a player planeswalks away
    from a plane will trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the
    event rather than afterward.
    Example: Two creatures are on the battlefield along with an artifact that has the ability
    “Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you gain 1 life.”
    Someone plays a spell that destroys all artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. The
    artifact’s ability triggers twice, even though the artifact goes to its owner’s graveyard at
    the same time as the creatures.
    so yes, you should draw some cards...


    edit: these ones should be quite important and helpful, too

    Quote Originally Posted by 603.6a
    Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are
    written, “When [this object] enters the battlefield, . . . “ or “Whenever a [type] enters the
    battlefield, . . .” Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all
    permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-thebattlefield
    triggers that match the event.
    and
    Quote Originally Posted by 603.6b
    Continuous effects that modify characteristics of a permanent do so the moment the
    permanent is on the battlefield (and not before then). The permanent is never on the battlefield
    with its unmodified characteristics.
    Continuous effects don’t apply before the permanent is on
    the battlefield, however (see rule 603.6e).
    Example: If an effect reads “All lands are creatures” and a land card is played, the
    effect makes the land card into a creature the moment it enters the battlefield, so it
    would trigger abilities that trigger when a creature enters the battlefield. Conversely, if
    an effect reads “All creatures lose all abilities” and a creature card with an enters-thebattlefield
    triggered ability enters the battlefield, that effect will cause it to lose its
    abilities the moment it enters the battlefield, so the enters-the-battlefield ability won’t
    trigger.
    quite a lot of rules text... sry for that
    Last edited by DerFern; 08-03-2010 at 07:37 AM. Reason: some additions

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